False dawn Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Though in 2016 his title chance was blown by a rider who shouldn't have been in the Grand Prix's as he wasn't good enough!Funny that no one asks why Jason was behind "This rider that shouldn't have been in the Grand Prix's". Can't see Wednesday or Friday due to Denmark and GP practice!I think you missed the sarcasm smiley (btw it's invisible) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Mr Doyle seems to have ignored the fact that young riders do not ride in Sweden and Poland and therefore have to get their experience and perhaps more importantly money in the UK. Fixed nights might well suit the top riders but surely they would limit the number of meetings young riders could participate in. Especially if fixed nights result in some clubs closing or going NL standard. Still I doubt he's worried about that now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Mr Doyle seems to have ignored the fact that young riders do not ride in Sweden and Poland and therefore have to get their experience and perhaps more importantly money in the UK. Fixed nights might well suit the top riders but surely they would limit the number of meetings young riders could participate in. Especially if fixed nights result in some clubs closing or going NL standard. Still I doubt he's worried about that now. How do you work that out? Fixed race nights would allow younger riders to double-up without the clashes experienced today - therefore riding in more meetings, not fewer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Mr Doyle seems to have ignored the fact that young riders do not ride in Sweden and Poland and therefore have to get their experience and perhaps more importantly money in the UK. Fixed nights might well suit the top riders but surely they would limit the number of meetings young riders could participate in. Especially if fixed nights result in some clubs closing or going NL standard. Still I doubt he's worried about that now. Exactly SL... When coming up through the ranks the likes of Doyle would want to race EVERY night to improve... When they then reach World Class their priorities (naturally) will change... Time for Britain to realize it cannot compete with Poland, therefore will always be an 'after thought' for the really top riders and go it alone... If the top lads want to come on board under British Speedways terms then great. If they don't, so be it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy swindon pete Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Exactly SL... When coming up through the ranks the likes of Doyle would want to race EVERY night to improve... When they then reach World Class their priorities (naturally) will change... Time for Britain to realize it cannot compete with Poland, therefore will always be an 'after thought' for the really top riders and go it alone... If the top lads want to come on board under British Speedways terms then great. If they don't, so be it... So we should continue with the complete and utter shambles of this season where there are not enough riders to sustain two leagues of largely similar standard without most of them riding in both leagues and countless fixture clashes where teams from both leagues have to resort guests to fill unavailable rider's slots? Just because a top foreign rider has suggested that it would be probably be a better idea for the leagues to have separate race nights, allowing the doubling up to continue without fixture clashes. Classic speedway fan logic. Always blaming the tip of the iceberg, ignoring everything that has led to that point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwaysliders Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Sorry but dont the fans come first.Im one of a number of floating fans,when i can get time off work ill see what matches are on that day,and if i think it will be A GOOD RACE MEETING,i will go.How the hell are we going to race with the pool of riders we have at the moment with double uppers etc.Its a farce now but what will it be like with everyone scrambling for riders on the same night?!!.Im sorry but Jason gets a good leaving out of the sport,hes down very well over the last couple of years mainly going from a second string to a world class rider. Only race experience got him there,but now he wants to change the system for himself.Sorry hes bang out of order with his comments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Who exactly are these dangerous riders that are causing accidents every night of the week? Way more accidents, injuries and deaths occur on Polish tracks as all the riders are riding like nutters chasing the big money they get promised and occasionally paid. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Sorry but dont the fans come first.Im one of a number of floating fans,when i can get time off work ill see what matches are on that day,and if i think it will be A GOOD RACE MEETING,i will go.How the hell are we going to race with the pool of riders we have at the moment with double uppers etc.Its a farce now but what will it be like with everyone scrambling for riders on the same night?!!.Im sorry but Jason gets a good leaving out of the sport,hes down very well over the last couple of years mainly going from a second string to a world class rider. Only race experience got him there,but now he wants to change the system for himself.Sorry hes bang out of order with his comments. The whole point of fixed race nights is that fewer riders are missing due to doubling-up and other race commitments. Of course, there will be always be injuries, but this will be a much smaller volumes than we have today. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseguy Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Assuming there will be tv coverage next season,if all teams ride on the same night do you think fans would stay at home and watch the tv meeting instead of going to their local track?, I can't see many negatives other than that and in my opinion it should have been done before, no team struggles to ride on Mondays when the BT cameras are there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Still we are brought back to the question of what happens to Sheffield, Ipswich and Redcar. They either have to join the top flight, or discard long established race nights and destroy their business. The Championship must be in danger of collapse as it is what with Peterborough's self inflicted woes, Scunthorpe and Worky fighting for their lives and ownership issues at another club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Cant see Mondays being a set night. Will the top boys do Poland, England, Sweden, Denmark in that order. Then will they want to do Thursdays over her just before gp weekends? Face facts the UK league is bottom of the riders agenda and will always stay that way. Only Cook and possibly Lindgren will be here next season.................oh and Magic lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 (edited) Who exactly are these dangerous riders that are causing accidents every night of the week? Way more accidents, injuries and deaths occur on Polish tracks as all the riders are riding like nutters chasing the big money they get promised and occasionally paid. The disparity in talent is a thing – this was openly acknowledged in recent years with an altered race format. It is a problem when riders are competing with others who are better than them, I don’t see why that particular statement is such an issue – there is validity in it. This would only become a greater issue in a league where riders don’t have the chance to double up/down and have little chance of income against riders who are not just a bit better than them, but in a theoretical one league system, far greater. Edited September 1, 2017 by Hacksaw Jim Duggan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 The disparity in talent is a thing this was openly acknowledged in recent years with an altered race format. It is a problem when riders are competing with others who are better than them, I dont see why that particular statement is such an issue there is validity in it. This would only become a greater issue in a league where riders dont have the chance to double up/down and have little chance of income against riders who are not just a bit better than them, but in a theoretical one league system, far greater. I don't think disparity of talent causes incidents. Doyle is unlikely to get injured by a Greaves or a Smith because they will never be anywhere near him on the track except at the start line. British Speedway has always had this disparity. Wayne Broadhurst was never a threat to the health of Hans Nielsen 30 years ago. We've never had the strength in our teams that Poles and Swedes have now, mainly because when the BL was in its prime there were three times the number of clubs they have in those leagues now I guess. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 I don't think disparity of talent causes incidents. Doyle is unlikely to get injured by a Greaves or a Smith because they will never be anywhere near him on the track except at the start line. British Speedway has always had this disparity. Wayne Broadhurst was never a threat to the health of Hans Nielsen 30 years ago. We've never had the strength in our teams that Poles and Swedes have now, mainly because when the BL was in its prime there were three times the number of clubs they have in those leagues now I guess. On occasion it does, riders do override – while Doyle as an example is indefinitely better than those riders you mention it doesn’t mean he doesn’t ever at any stage of a season encounter them, and on occasion encounter them overriding and desperate on what he feels are poorly prepared tracks….I can see why that would be a cause for concern to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 On occasion it does, riders do override while Doyle as an example is indefinitely better than those riders you mention it doesnt mean he doesnt ever at any stage of a season encounter them, and on occasion encounter them overriding and desperate on what he feels are poorly prepared tracks.I can see why that would be a cause for concern to be honest. I'm obviously failing to see the point. Can't remember any recent examples of a junior overriding and injuring a superstar, except in Poland. Also, Doyle has been one of the most dangerous riders out there in recent years, so it just seems a bit rich. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Imagine this. Fixed Premiership race nights (Monday and Thursday) with no Championship fixtures taking place on those nights. Each team meets each other once at home and once away instead of twice at home and twice away to try and tempt some big name riders back to the UK. Scrap Cup fixtures as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 I'm obviously failing to see the point. Can't remember any recent examples of a junior overriding and injuring a superstar, except in Poland. Also, Doyle has been one of the most dangerous riders out there in recent years, so it just seems a bit rich. I don’t think it has to correlate to “injury” – it is possible the better riders take evasive action as a result of the talents of lesser riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 (edited) Imagine this. Fixed Premiership race nights (Monday and Thursday) with no Championship fixtures taking place on those nights. Each team meets each other once at home and once away instead of twice at home and twice away to try and tempt some big name riders back to the UK. Scrap Cup fixtures as well. The only way to tempt big name riders back is £££££s.Which is what our clubs don't have. Doyle still does override himself a bit.Like he did at Lynn a month or so ago.He nearly fenced Jorgensen but ended up burying himself in the fence.That was so close to what could have been a bad accident for Jorgensen.Maybe because Doyle was getting beat by a lesser rider he felt he had to override himself. Edited September 1, 2017 by tellboy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 http://www.speedwaygp.com/news/article/6036/ The article speaks for itself but basically he's not riding here next year if we don't move to Monday and Thursday set nights apparently. Not sure if he is on a VISA or anything, maybe one of the Swindon fans know? Also calls British Speedway a lot more dangerous than Polish Speedway because the standard is dropping. But I was wondering how many deaths and really serious injuries there has been in Poland in comparison to GB? I'd guess that there has been more in the former rather than the latter. Then goes on to criticise how poorly tracks are prepared in Britain compared to Sweden and Poland. Raises some valid points to be fair, Buster Chapman in particular should be singled out for the farce he has overseen at Kings Lynn this season which has badly damaged the reputation of British Speedway. The sport needs new direction and a new person to lead it (a CEO type figure) I suggest he doesn't race here then! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 The only way to tempt big name riders back is £££££s.Which is what our clubs don't have. Doyle still does override himself a bit.Like he did at Lynn a month or so ago.He nearly fenced Jorgensen but ended up burying himself in the fence.That was so close to what could have been a bad accident for Jorgensen.Maybe because Doyle was getting beat by a lesser rider he felt he had to override himself. But if their was less fixtures then promoters wouldn't be paying as much on rider wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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