waytogo28 Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 Run UK speedway with the riders who want to race here when we choose to put on meetings. Those handful of international top riders are too expensive for the UK anyway and new "top" riders will emerge from those who we can afford. Doyle should stick to Poland, Sweden and the GP's and I don't blame him for doing that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 Jason Doyle is quite adamant... British speedway must have fixed racenights. Oh, and our tracks.. they are not prepared very well. That sways his view. But... compared to Poland... how many riders have lost their lives or been confined to a wheelchair from British track accident the past 10 years? Poland seems quite dangerous if you compare the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 Jason Doyle is quite adamant... British speedway must have fixed racenights. Oh, and our tracks.. they are not prepared very well. That sways his view. But... compared to Poland... how many riders have lost their lives or been confined to a wheelchair from British track accident the past 10 years? Poland seems quite dangerous if you compare the two. were our tracks dangerous when he spent 10+ years earning his living on them as a nothing journeyman ,, goodbye and good riddance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 Wolves have no chance with Thursday's as its a greyhound night and we don't own the stadium so have the choice MORE likely to be two days a week, Monday and Thursday. One day means only half the tracks can operate that week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 So Jason has sent a clear message with an implied, "Are you listening?" at the end. Are you listening Jason? Because from where I'm sitting you've burnt a lot of bridges. Not by what you said, but by the way you said it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 MORE likely to be two days a week, Monday and Thursday. One day means only half the tracks can operate that week. So what happens to Monday and Thursday clubs that don't go in the Premiership? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 We know British speedway is in a mess without Mr. Doyle telling us, thank you very much. Not defending Britain when criticising Doyle. But we have something here that highlights where we are in loyalty. Imagine being a kid again, say 10 years-old, and you ask your so-called best mate is he coming to your party on Tuesday. Friend says, he can't because his other friend is having one that day. You feel hurt, it takes away something special from your friendship. And it doesn't help when your ex-best pal knocks on your door during your party, saying the other party was cancelled so he can come to yours now. How can you support a sport that encourages this scenario? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 So what happens to Monday and Thursday clubs that don't go in the Premiership?They don't have double ups. Simples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 So what happens to Monday and Thursday clubs that don't go in the Premiership? as long as Jason Doyle doesn't ride for them ,they can close down he doesn't mind , 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graz gp Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 If things dont work out with the brexit negotiations and if i understand it correctly. All these whinging aussies will be crying out for a visa to race in uk and europe. I know what i would do with them. They don't say anything about the track's when they are working there way through the leagues in the uk and learning there trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 They don't have double ups. Simples Is it though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerowl Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 I think pages 2 and 3 of this week's Star demonstrate everything that is wrong with British speedway at the moment. The head of the BSPA advocating more guests because his team had a bit of a disaster at home to Wolves is a knee jerk reaction to an issue which ignores the long terms problems of excessive doubling up and awful fixture planning. This reaction is, I suppose, understandable in light of the season the Stars have had but it only goes to show how much an independent head of the sport is needed. Someone with knowledge of speedway but with no links to a club and with the best interest of the fans and the sport in general at heart. And then we have Jason Doyle going on about quitting if the top league is not on fixed nights. This shows that there is little loyalty to a country and a league, let alone a club, from some of the top riders. Again, this is understandable in a way as it is a short and dangerous career and they need to make their money while they can. The world has changed from the 1970s and 1980s when the British League was the goal of every rider around the world. Poland and Sweden have overtaken us for a while and the Grand Prix series along with the various other FIM events have all but taken over every weekend. As fans we have to accept this and live in the real world. We cannot expect to see the world's top riders here all the time, riding in front of a few hundred fans because the crowd levels we are getting won't support this. Also, the riders have to live in the real world and accept that they can't be all full time professionals on those same crowd levels. We need to take two steps back to go forward again. Stop doubling up, have tracks operating every week on fixed nights through the year, have riders riding at the correct level and give the fans their teams back. Once the sport has credibility and integrity and the fans start identifying with their teams again, perhaps we can move forward and establish the sport on a firmer footing again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 I REALLY don't understand some of the comments here. Do you really think only Aussies complain about tracks? All speedway riders, of whatever nationality, whatever talent, need decent tracks to provide the sort of racing that we all want to see. That is incumbent upon the promoters but many, for all sorts of reasons, do not comply. Doyle is getting a lot of stick here but he is simply echoing what many riders are saying and have been for a long time. Speedway riders cannot make a decent career and set themselves up for later life by simply racing in one country, even if that is Poland. They want to ride as much as possible and supplement their income where they can. They do not operate in a sport where one club (track) can offer them an exclusive 12-months contract. They ply their trade wherever they can. To co-ordinate their racing between several countries requires them to know when they will be riding in each country. Doyle, like many others, is actually saying he is prepared to commit himself lf to the UK, rather than the contrary, as long as he can pencil in either Monday or Thursday as the days he will need to be in the UK. These guys have really hectic schedules and and want to be able to plan where and when they will be riding. Is that really too much to ask? Doyle has been the target of much abuse here but no doubt Swindon fans will appreciate the time and effort he has put in to get them to the top of the league and most likely finish as champions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 I REALLY don't understand some of the comments here. Do you really think only Aussies complain about tracks? All speedway riders, of whatever nationality, whatever talent, need decent tracks to provide the sort of racing that we all want to see. That is incumbent upon the promoters but many, for all sorts of reasons, do not comply. Doyle is getting a lot of stick here but he is simply echoing what many riders are saying and have been for a long time. Speedway riders cannot make a decent career and set themselves up for later life by simply racing in one country, even if that is Poland. They want to ride as much as possible and supplement their income where they can. They do not operate in a sport where one club (track) can offer them an exclusive 12-months contract. They ply their trade wherever they can. To co-ordinate their racing between several countries requires them to know when they will be riding in each country. Doyle, like many others, is actually saying he is prepared to commit himself lf to the UK, rather than the contrary, as long as he can pencil in either Monday or Thursday as the days he will need to be in the UK. These guys have really hectic schedules and and want to be able to plan where and when they will be riding. Is that really too much to ask? Doyle has been the target of much abuse here but no doubt Swindon fans will appreciate the time and effort he has put in to get them to the top of the league and most likely finish as champions. If the Poles tell Doyle he can only ride in one other league, you wont see him for dust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 If the Poles tell Doyle he can only ride in one other league, you wont see him for dust. NOT just Doyle. He is no different to many, many riders. You can hardly blame him or them for giving preference to those who pay the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 NOT just Doyle. He is no different to many, many riders. You can hardly blame him or them for giving preference to those who pay the most. Sometimes pay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 Sometimes pay! stop arguing with the Doyle loving ,German hating plonker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 Sometimes pay! MORE often than not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 So it's alright for riders to make ultimatums on their British bosses who don't operate on set nights for good reason, such as stadium availability? But when it comes to the Poles the riders bow down, despite being restricted in their ability to earn extra income in an arbitrary fashion? The Poles are sticking two fingers up to the rest of Europe with their increasingly restrictive practices and the riders say not a word. Except to say Britain has to change to make it possible for them to accommodate us. They must think we're mugs. Change British Speedway to make British Speedway better for our fans, for our promotions and for riders who want to ride here. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 So it's alright for riders to make ultimatums on their British bosses who don't operate on set nights for good reason, such as stadium availability? But when it comes to the Poles the riders bow down, despite being restricted in their ability to earn extra income in an arbitrary fashion? The Poles are sticking two fingers up to the rest of Europe with their increasingly restrictive practices and the riders say not a word. Except to say Britain has to change to make it possible for them to accommodate us. They must think we're mugs. Change British Speedway to make British Speedway better for our fans, for our promotions and for riders who want to ride here. Doyle wanted to ride here when he was nothing (still is IMO ) what we have to do now , is stop more Jason Doyles ,Chris Holders ,Greg Hancocks , jason Crumps Tai Woffindens ,doing the same in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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