Jason Doyle In This Weeks Speedway Star

[waiheke1]

Doyle.

 

Isn't he the ignorant so and so who was jumping up and down at the last GP saying; and I quote: "THREE AUSSIES ON THE PODIUM, THREE AUSSIES ON THE PODIUM"!!!

 

He must have forgotten Tai Woffinden was - - - ENGLISH!!! I don't think.

 

Stupid sod!!

 

To be honest - I am surprised nobody else has commented on this.

 

Good riddance if he goes.......................

Was he really saying that. Because dudek isnt Australian either?

But you are right, why would we want the best rider in the world riding here if he is occasionally going to express opinions rather than only generic platitudes.

[The White Knight]

Was he really saying that. Because dudek isnt Australian either?

But you are right, why would we want the best rider in the world riding here if he is occasionally going to express opinions rather than only generic platitudes.

Well, at least you argue coherently wkha1. I was only quoting what he (Doyle) said.

[speedibee]

Yeah sorry I read your post wrong apologies. Either way though all of the names mentioned above deemed it beneficial to their careers by racing here.

pawlicki ,sajfutdinov,zmarzlik ,dudek and vaculik .owe us nothing , they came here (or Not ) fully trained and when they decided it wasn't for them went back and raced in their own country . the Aussies owe us for training and for team places that given to a journeymen . there has never been an aussie who has gone straight to Poland , the poles wont have them until they have proved their worth ,and they can't do that in Australian leagues

[Hawk127]

Anyone running a book on how many of the whingers will return to the UK next year?

 

Can I get odds on Jason Crump making a return to racing and showing these upstarts how to be professional and explaining the art of good manners and some common courtesy to the hosts.

 

If not can these unhappy chaps leave the UK in peace and ply their trade elsewhere. That will allow U.K. Speedway to regroup which is badly needed and hopefully the punters will get to watch riders who want to ride week in week out and entertain. I will not hold my breath on any of these counts but one can only live in hope.

[diamond_ren]

pawlicki ,sajfutdinov,zmarzlik ,dudek and vaculik .owe us nothing , they came here (or Not ) fully trained and when they decided it wasn't for them went back and raced in their own country . the Aussies owe us for training and for team places that given to a journeymen . there has never been an aussie who has gone straight to Poland , the poles wont have them until they have proved their worth ,and they can't do that in Australian leagues

Yep very true.... maybe the aussies should stay home and race in there own league.... oh wait there isn't one. Like you say holder and doyle wouldn't be where they are now without British speedway.

[PHILIPRISING]

Yep very true.... maybe the aussies should stay home and race in there own league.... oh wait there isn't one. Like you say holder and doyle wouldn't be where they are now without British speedway.

IT hasn't been a one-way street

[Star Lady]

IT hasn't been a one-way street

Name the Brits that have ridden in the Aussie leagues then

[PHILIPRISING]

Name the Brits that have ridden in the Aussie leagues then

YOU mis-understood. In my opinion Australian riders including Holder and Doyle have made a huge contribution to speedway in this country and continue to do so.

Edited September 1, 2017 by PHILIPRISING

[Star Lady]

YOU mis-understood. In my opinion Australian riders including Holder and Doyle have made a huge contribution to speedway in this country and continue not do so.

I didn't misunderstand at all.

 

Kevin Doolan, Shane Parker Ryan Sullivan Jason Crump etc have made a contribution yes, no argument but had they not come to the UK I very much doubt they would have made a living let alone achieved what they have if they stayed in Oz.

 

 

Well Holder has made a contribution this season, pretty sure it's not to the benefit of the sport tho.

[diamond_ren]

YOU mis-understood. In my opinion Australian riders including Holder and Doyle have made a huge contribution to speedway in this country and continue not do so.

You could argue Holder had made a contribution to British speedway for the better but has undone a lot if not most of that through his actions this season.

[speedibee]

Was he really saying that. Because dudek isnt Australian either?

But you are right, why would we want the best rider in the world riding here if he is occasionally going to express opinions rather than only generic platitudes.

if you want the best rider in the world riding in New Zealand , I'm sure they'll gladly come , provided you give them enough money , meantime we are discussing what happens here in OUR country with OUR speedway , which really is none of your business ,

[PHILIPRISING]

I didn't misunderstand at all.

 

Kevin Doolan, Shane Parker Ryan Sullivan Jason Crump etc have made a contribution yes, no argument but had they not come to the UK I very much doubt they would have made a living let alone achieved what they have if they stayed in Oz.

 

 

Well Holder has made a contribution this season, pretty sure it's not to the benefit of the sport tho.

SO you simply ignore all the good seasons Holder had, the pure joy he, especially with Darcy Ward, provided not just to Poole fans but speedway supporters in general. There was a time when EVERY Elite league track (as it was then) admitted their best crowds of the season came when Poole with Holder and Ward riding were in town. Australian riders in general have made a massive contribution to speedway here over decades and the fact that many now also ride elsewhere is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

 

If you were offered a job but your prospective employer was unable to tell you when you would be required you might be sceptical about accepting. That is what a number of riders (not just Australian) are asking for.

[Trees]

We should listen to some of what Doyle is saying, take Poole for instance, why can't Matt iron out all the lumps and bumps ffs, it's ridiculous.. Our promoters should study their tracks and try to make them better, smoother, better shaped, do what is necessary. Of course accessing them is a problem and for some it's spending money on something they don't own but if the will is there to improve it and hopefully reap the benefit?

[speedibee]

You could argue Holder had made a contribution to British speedway for the better but has undone a lot if not most of that through his actions this season.

looking at the situation realistically , we have only had these problems with Australians since big money was available in Poland , previous to that they were happy to race here in the leagues structured as they were and take what money was on offer , , had Doyle not had some sort of knock on the head which made him step up a gear and remained a 3rd heat leader at championship level , you wouldn't be hearing a peep out of him , I would say Holder is a spent force and who cares what he does from here on , Doyle is a greedy mardy arse who's too far up his own arse , if he wants to race in Poland fine let him go and no coming back. no point us worrying about a couple of greedy aussies . best thing to do is take steps now to prevent others following suit , shut the door on any Aussies turning up on these shores in the future , and get those making their was through our leagues contracted with a some sort of financial handcuffs , before they turn our speedway into an amateur circus sideshow like theirs .

SO you simply ignore all the good seasons Holder had, the pure joy he, especially with Darcy Ward, provided not just to Poole fans but speedway supporters in general. There was a time when EVERY Elite league track (as it was then) admitted their best crowds of the season came when Poole with Holder and Ward riding were in town. Australian riders in general have made a massive contribution to speedway here over decades and the fact that many now also ride elsewhere is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

 

If you were offered a job but your prospective employer was unable to tell you when you would be required you might be sceptical about accepting. That is what a number of riders (not just Australian) are asking for.

yes it was an absolute pleasure watching him fence Chris Harris in the playoff final , terrific , and the bonus for you is of course he's not German . or you would be starting a whole anti holder thread

[MattK]

looking at the situation realistically , we have only had these problems with Australians since big money was available in Poland , previous to that they were happy to race here in the leagues structured as they were and take what money was on offer , , had Doyle not had some sort of knock on the head which made him step up a gear and remained a 3rd heat leader at championship level , you wouldn't be hearing a peep out of him , I would say Holder is a spent force and who cares what he does from here on , Doyle is a greedy mardy arse who's too far up his own arse , if he wants to race in Poland fine let him go and no coming back. no point us worrying about a couple of greedy aussies . best thing to do is take steps now to prevent others following suit , shut the door on any Aussies turning up on these shores in the future , and get those making their was through our leagues contracted with a some sort of financial handcuffs , before they turn our speedway into an amateur circus sideshow like theirs .

 

The problem is, it isn't just a couple of greedy Aussies. If you look at the previous page you will see that most of the current crop of GP riders have ridden in Britain at some point. However, only three remain. Doyle has provided some insight into why so many of the top riders see the Britain league as merely a stepping stone on to larger things.

 

You may say, "who cares" and that they should be allowed (or even encouraged) to leave, but the simply fact is that over the last decade the top riders have gradually moved away from British speedway and at the same time fan numbers have decreased across the board. You can say this is correlation rather than causation and of course there is a vast plethora of factors which impact numbers, but in my opinion the loss of the top riders is the single biggest factor in dwindling crowds.

[foamfence]

 

The problem is, it isn't just a couple of greedy Aussies. If you look at the previous page you will see that most of the current crop of GP riders have ridden in Britain at some point. However, only three remain. Doyle has provided some insight into why so many of the top riders see the Britain league as merely a stepping stone on to larger things.

 

You may say, "who cares" and that they should be allowed (or even encouraged) to leave, but the simply fact is that over the last decade the top riders have gradually moved away from British speedway and at the same time fan numbers have decreased across the board. You can say this is correlation rather than causation and of course there is a vast plethora of factors which impact numbers, but in my opinion the loss of the top riders is the single biggest factor in dwindling crowds.

Well we can't afford them, they consider our tracks dangerous and Polish Speedway controls what they can and can't do. If things go wrong elsewhere and they start to drift back, fair enough. Meanwhile we need to look at what we actually have and make the best job of it, if only we could agree what that 'best' actually is.

[FAST GATER]

When you have riders like Hancock ( love or hate him) who been and done it all saying that riders need to come here to learn their trade then that tells me that this is still an important league/s within the sport .They are vastly different to the wide open spaces of Poland etc and that is the very point ,there is less room for shall we say Mr Doyle's robust riding style plus like all sportmen/women once they taste success it often taints their point of view.

Edited September 1, 2017 by FAST GATER

[MattK]

Well we can't afford them, they consider our tracks dangerous and Polish Speedway controls what they can and can't do. If things go wrong elsewhere and they start to drift back, fair enough. Meanwhile we need to look at what we actually have and make the best job of it, if only we could agree what that 'best' actually is.

 

It is interesting. 10 years ago some clubs had TWO GPs riders, I know Swindon did for a couple of seasons. I'd be interested to know with the benefit of hindsight whether the promoters felt speedway was more sustainable back in those days of higher costs, but higher crowds, compared to today, where the costs are lower, but the crowds are too.

[speedibee]

 

The problem is, it isn't just a couple of greedy Aussies. If you look at the previous page you will see that most of the current crop of GP riders have ridden in Britain at some point. However, only three remain. Doyle has provided some insight into why so many of the top riders see the Britain league as merely a stepping stone on to larger things.

 

You may say, "who cares" and that they should be allowed (or even encouraged) to leave, but the simply fact is that over the last decade the top riders have gradually moved away from British speedway and at the same time fan numbers have decreased across the board. You can say this is correlation rather than causation and of course there is a vast plethora of factors which impact numbers, but in my opinion the loss of the top riders is the single biggest factor in dwindling crowds.

yes it is , we don't have to train Europeans ,so when they decide against riding here we have lost nothing.

 

It is interesting. 10 years ago some clubs had TWO GPs riders, I know Swindon did for a couple of seasons. I'd be interested to know with the benefit of hindsight whether the promoters felt speedway was more sustainable back in those days of higher costs, but higher crowds, compared to today, where the costs are lower, but the crowds are too.

Gp was 6 rounds , and Poland hadn't dangled the carrot ,no comparison with current problemsd

[Grachan]

It's odd that supporters think they can spend so much time on here slagging off the state of British speedway, but when a rider does it he gets criticised for it.

 

If all the top riders are saying it's a pain riding in the UK and the tracks are not good, is it not possible that just somebody could take notice rather than a mass "stuff 'em" attitude until none are left?

 

I, personally, believe the riders when they say these things as there are s many saying them. And Jason has stayed here longer than most have. Perhaps they just want things to improve, the same as everyone else.

Edited September 1, 2017 by grachan