OveFundinFan Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 I thought it was a pretty ok meeting, not the best but certainly had its touches of brilliance. Re the commentators, personally I dont mind them at all, but appreciate others dont like the presentation. Its a bit like brexit, if we had a vote it could turn out 48-52 and the losers would keep moaning forever. It is what it is, get on with it. A bit of a bore when it gets mentioned EVERY gp. Re Peter Kildemand. Bellevueace - last couple years he been theatrical in his riding, or should I say falls, so he not NP in waiting, hes been there but NP was taking the limelight. Re the PK-CH clash. If Holder had not been waving his leg about and lifted just as he got to the corner, thereby being not in control of his machine, the refs decision could have been different. Re the starting fiasco, yes they all know the rules, dont move before the tapes do. However, the ref was consistent with his tape release so they should have tuned in. However, I still say that a computer should randomly release the tapes between one and three seconds so no rider can predict when the tapes go. All would have to be on their toes. Nothing been said much about the poles - last night once again that Zmarzlik is a full throttle merchant, doesnt have much throttle control at all that I can see, and at times he is dm right dangerous and I wouldnt like him neither in front of or behind me. Dudek, bit of a let down this year. Hard to say that when he is still 2nd in the points table, but showing a lot of immaturity. Perhaps those 2 riders are lacking experience riding smaller tracks ie UK, unlike Magic of Pawlicki. Zagar, a treat to watch when in full flow, but not consistent enough. Its good he is fighting for a top 8 place, but he should be fighting for a top 3 place. I wonder whether he lacks confidence in himself. Perhaps he may do well having a session with a head guru. I think 2 gp wins in one season guarantees him a place next year even if he doesnt get top 8 this year. Emil, brilliant passing last night, especially the one passing Kildemand. But where has his gating skill gone to. Much easier to win if you in the lead from the start. He just seems to be lacking something that he had in 2013. And finally, things could be worse, I just tuned in to Moto gp in Aragon and this morning pre race practice is fogged off, yet when the sun comes through (and it will) it is forcast the heat will be massive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Just think Kildemands all action never give up style brings something to the events, Pedersen was also known to go down easily as to influence a refs decision or to try to give himself a second bite of the cherry, i can see some resemblance tbh and the series needs that panto villain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 BUT why should your view prevail over the rest of us who enjoy the coverage along with the commentary. BT are very happy with KT and NP. Are you really saying "the rest of us enjoy the commentary"? That isn't what comes across on the BSF As someone else mentioned as there are so many of these meetings now they tend to lose that bit of magic that the one off final had. That air of uncertainty the whole season building up to that one special night, the tension etc. I know all the arguements for and against both but the GP comes no where near close to that atmosphere you could cut with a knife on world final night. Lets hope the next one provides a better spectacle which it should on a good well prepared track. Spot on. I was going to say, wouldn't it be great if we went into the Melbourne GP with 15 riders level on points - what a tense, special meeting that would be. But no, it looks like the "championship" will have been decided before that meeting, so it may only be a qualifier for the top eight for next season Even if the 15 (I exclude the wildcard - why you have them in a championship I do not know) were level going into Melbourne, under the "new system" we've had for several years, ie semi-finals and final, the winner of the final, so the winner of the meeting, might not be the champion - see Zagar last night Oh for a 20 heat 16 rider World Championship Final, top scorer the winner, which could stand alongside a GP Series - we would have a World Champion and a GP Series winner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keef robin Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Well done Jase 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) Well looks like Doyle's to lose now and fair play he has done the business and come back well after last year.Not my favourite rider but it would be churlish to argue that he will not be a worthy champion and has won the title fair and square. IMO it is sad not to see Grin race a full season as W/C and NP injured as I think that we have seen the last of both of them on the GP stage , we now have a changing of the guard and ironically Doyle bridges the generational gap . Edited September 24, 2017 by FAST GATER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Holder had lost full control, his foot was in the air off the footrest, causing him to stray slightly off his line and make contact with Kildemand, causing him to fall Correct decision IMHO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Holder had lost full control, his foot was in the air off the footrest, causing him to stray slightly off his line and make contact with Kildemand, causing him to fall Correct decision IMHO Of course it was the correct decision. I don't understand riders waving their leg about these days, obviously they are less in control. Especially on a rutty track like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonimac Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Holder had lost full control, his foot was in the air off the footrest, causing him to stray slightly off his line and make contact with Kildemand, causing him to fall Correct decision IMHO I think it is the level of contact that Holder rightly questioned. Kildemand has plenty of history for taking a dive and who can honestly say that when they saw him enter that bend with Holder, take a slight contact, they didn't think he was going down regardless? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) Holder had lost full control, his foot was in the air off the footrest, causing him to stray slightly off his line and make contact with Kildemand, causing him to fall Correct decision IMHO You are correct but I don't blame Kildermand for going down easily. If in the same position 99% of us would do the same. The rules are in black and white, can be stretched or used by anyone, to there advantage. The rules heavily favors any rider being passed on the inside who gets any form of contact. Maybe the rule needs wording differently to include contact that is deemed normal, fair or reckless. This will give a grey area for a referee but would stop riders falling off at the softest touch in the knowledge they will get the decision. It would encourage riders to stay on the bike. Edited September 24, 2017 by marky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactical Joker Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 In view of the comments about the commentary (and I for one enjoy their enthusiasm) it will be interesting to watch this back with NP and KT's views. Watching it live you only get one real chance to form an opinion, and don't always have the best angle. It did appear that Kildemand engineered the situation with Holder though. And as the rumours of Stockholm not being on the circus, sorry circuit next year grow, at least the ABBA museum is now ticked off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Yorker Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 You are correct but I don't blame Kildermand for going down easily. If in the same position 99% of us would do the same. The rules are in black and white, can be stretched or used by anyone, to there advantage. The rules heavily favors any rider being passed on the inside who gets any form of contact. Maybe the rule needs wording differently to include contact that is deemed normal, fair or reckless. This will give a grey area for a referee but would stop riders falling off at the softest touch in the knowledge they will get the decision. It would encourage riders to stay on the bike. Well said Markey. I think sometimes it just comes down to who we are cheering for. Me being a huge Emil fan I was thrilled when Emil passed Kilderman on the inside in the first set of heats I think. It was rather rough I thought but if Peter passed him like that I would have been a little upset. Then to Peter's defense he called it fair play in the interview. Watching Zagar in the last two GP's and also in the league's from what I've seen he's the fastest man on a speedway bike lately IMO. Also Zmarlick is out of control at times but I would miss him if he wasn't in the GP's. I do think he's a little rough at times though. It was a great Final! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Holder had lost full control, his foot was in the air off the footrest, causing him to stray slightly off his line and make contact with Kildemand, causing him to fall Correct decision IMHO Exactly, I'm amazed anyone can think Holder was not at fault. His foot wasn't even on the footrest! OK Kildemand has form but in this case Holder was 99% to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Exactly, I'm amazed anyone can think Holder was not at fault. His foot wasn't even on the footrest! OK Kildemand has form but in this case Holder was 99% to blame. Having your boot off the footrest does not mean you're not in control. He had it in the air the whole straight. Last time I looked at the replay it seemed his bike jumped off the track as he put it sideways and at that time Faller was there to take the contact. Holder was gonna get d'qed 98 times from a 100 from that one. And Faller could most likely stayed on unless it was a final place at stake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Why should anyone have to turn the sound off. We pay to watch and listen to a professionally produced programme. If what is delivered is less than that we have every right to complain. The alternative of course is for BT to provide half price subscriptions for those that don't use the sound and that is never going to happen. Genuine question, do you EVER stop moaning ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Genuine question, do you EVER stop moaning ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Yorker Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Why should anyone have to turn the sound off. We pay to watch and listen to a professionally produced programme. If what is delivered is less than that we have every right to complain. The alternative of course is for BT to provide half price subscriptions for those that don't use the sound and that is never going to happen. Hello Star Lady.....As a youtube watcher in the states (I seem to be a six day a week worker plus I don't think there is a live stream?) so I usually have to settle for Polish or Danish language Saturday evening because for some reason the English version comes out later and I can't wait for it. So I suggest that you try the Polish version a couple times and I guarantee that you will come back to Nigel and Kelvin with open arms!! Overall I enjoy Nigel and Kelvin and think they love the sport as we do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Genuine question, do you EVER stop moaning ? If you care to check back you will see I wasn't the person that moaned. I replied to someone who rudely told folk to "turn the sound off" and then further replied when asked why my view should prevail. Which again I didn't suggest it should. Now if expressing an opinion that doesn't conform to yours is moaning...fair enough...I'm guilty. My conscience however is as clear as crystal....I pay my money (unlike some who always want a free stream) and therefore consider I am entitled to an opinion and as this is a forum I will continue to voice it. Have a nice day now 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPHEN 333 Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) Just got back from Stockholm, got to say I was very disappointed with the turn out at the Friends Arena, hardly any Polish fans there, not many brits either, the Stadium was very barely half full, the full top tier was not used, and if the rumours about Stockholm are true about it not been on the venue's list for 2018 are true, I can believe that, mind you also have to say that Stockholm is not the cheapest place to go to either, £7 a pint, nearly went teetotal for the weekend when I got charged that, the GP itself did not live up to the expectations of myself, so am really expecting the GP to be axed in 2018 in Stockholm for somewhere more economical, travel to the stadium is more than easy, Solna station is just five minutes walk away, and the shopping centre next door is more than inviting, plenty of shops and bars, but the prices are again quite severe. Well done Matty Zagar, but thought Chris Holder was a little bit harshly done by, the incident with Kildemand happened right in front of me, thought it was a little bit even to be honest, not seen the video yet, will watch it Monday, but as for the title, its now Doyle's to lose, but that said Woffy is now out of the title run in. Bumped into Kelvin and Nigel in Stockholm airport on Sunday morning, around 8am, I think you will have to go some to find anyone better at presenting their views, Kelvin even had a little part to play in the programme notes on each rider, do rate him to be honest, if you have anyone in mind who can do a better job than him I would love to know who that is. Edited September 24, 2017 by STEPHEN 333 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 Hardly any Polish fans? I have seen many of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 Bumped into Kelvin and Nigel in Stockholm airport on Sunday morning, around 8am, I think you will have to go some to find anyone better at presenting their views, Kelvin even had a little part to play in the programme notes on each rider, do rate him to be honest, if you have anyone in mind who can do a better job than him I would love to know who that is. I could give it a go, no problem! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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