poolebolton Posted October 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Musielak 1,194 Baran 1,094 the difference is Musielak will be riding in Ekstraliga next year (according to your post) and most likely will end up again with 1,0-1,3 average while Baran in Nice 1 Liga is perfectly capable of 1,8-2,0 Fair enough. I think he is still a good rider. Teams struggle to have good polish riders. Just look at Torun! He will make them stronger. Why is was a big suprise to me to see Woryna stay at Rybnik even though most Extraliga teams offered him a place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarkens Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 At the end of the day, I only care about my home team and at the moment it looks like we'll have: Masters Lambert D. Lampart Baran Jeleniewski Miesiac Smolinski W. Lampart Peron not bad, but probably not enough to knock on Ekstraliga's door... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarkens Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 cheat sheet from Przeglad Sportowy: (Zostaja - Staying, Odchodza - Leaving, Dogadani - Agreed, W kregu zainteresowan - Of interest) FOGO UNIA LESZNOZostają: Pawlicki, Sajfutdinow, Kołodziej, Smektała, KuberaOdchodzą: Zengota, KildemandDogadani: Hampel, KurtzBETARD SPARTA WROCŁAWZostają: Woffinden, Janowski, Milik, Lebiediew, Jędrzejak, Drabik, DróżdżOdchodzą: WoźniakW kręgu zainteresowań: Fricke, MazurCASH BROKER STAL GORZÓWZostają: Zmarzlik, Vaculik, Kasprzak, Karczmarz, Szczotka, CzerniawskiOdchodzą: Iversen, Prz. PawlickiDogadani: WoźniakW kręgu zainteresowań: Jepsen JensenEKANTOR.PL FALUBAZ ZIELONA GÓRAZostają: Protasiewicz, Dudek, Thorssell, Zgardziński, Niedźwiedź, TonderOdchodzą: Hampel, Doyle, KarpowDogadani: ZengotaW kręgu zainteresowań: Fricke, Lindgren, Pedersen, HancockWŁÓKNIARZ VITROSZLIF CROSSFIT CZĘSTOCHOWAZostają: Madsen, Žagar, Holta, Jonsson, Polis, GruchalskiOdchodzą: Ułamek, BaranDogadani: MusielakMRGARDEN GKM GRUDZIĄDZZostają: A. Łaguta, Lindbäck, Buczkowski, Pieszczek, Huckenbeck,Odchodzą: Okoniewski, Trzensiok, RujnerDogadani: Prz. PawlickiGET WELL TORUŃZostają: Ch. Holder (?), Jepsen Jensen, Przedpełski, Miedziński, Kaczmarek, Kopeć-SobczyńskiOdchodzą: WalasekDogadani: Doyle, IversenW kręgu zainteresowań: HoltaGRUPA AZOTY UNIA TARNÓWZostają: K. Bjerre, Jamróg, Czaja, Mroczka, RolnickiOdchodzą: Michelsen, LjungMogą przyjść: Pedersen, Hancock, Kildemand, Lindgren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted October 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 cheat sheet from Przeglad Sportowy: (Zostaja - Staying, Odchodza - Leaving, Dogadani - Agreed, W kregu zainteresowan - Of interest) FOGO UNIA LESZNO Zostają: Pawlicki, Sajfutdinow, Kołodziej, Smektała, Kubera Odchodzą: Zengota, Kildemand Dogadani: Hampel, Kurtz BETARD SPARTA WROCŁAW Zostają: Woffinden, Janowski, Milik, Lebiediew, Jędrzejak, Drabik, Dróżdż Odchodzą: Woźniak W kręgu zainteresowań: Fricke, Mazur CASH BROKER STAL GORZÓW Zostają: Zmarzlik, Vaculik, Kasprzak, Karczmarz, Szczotka, Czerniawski Odchodzą: Iversen, Prz. Pawlicki Dogadani: Woźniak W kręgu zainteresowań: Jepsen Jensen EKANTOR.PL FALUBAZ ZIELONA GÓRA Zostają: Protasiewicz, Dudek, Thorssell, Zgardziński, Niedźwiedź, Tonder Odchodzą: Hampel, Doyle, Karpow Dogadani: Zengota W kręgu zainteresowań: Fricke, Lindgren, Pedersen, Hancock WŁÓKNIARZ VITROSZLIF CROSSFIT CZĘSTOCHOWA Zostają: Madsen, Žagar, Holta, Jonsson, Polis, Gruchalski Odchodzą: Ułamek, Baran Dogadani: Musielak MRGARDEN GKM GRUDZIĄDZ Zostają: A. Łaguta, Lindbäck, Buczkowski, Pieszczek, Huckenbeck, Odchodzą: Okoniewski, Trzensiok, Rujner Dogadani: Prz. Pawlicki GET WELL TORUŃ Zostają: Ch. Holder (?), Jepsen Jensen, Przedpełski, Miedziński, Kaczmarek, Kopeć-Sobczyński Odchodzą: Walasek Dogadani: Doyle, Iversen W kręgu zainteresowań: Holta GRUPA AZOTY UNIA TARNÓW Zostają: K. Bjerre, Jamróg, Czaja, Mroczka, Rolnicki Odchodzą: Michelsen, Ljung Mogą przyjść: Pedersen, Hancock, Kildemand, Lindgren This is really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Compare this to whats happening over here next year , nobody knows how many teams or what league or what make up of teams or even if there will be speedway in Britain next year or what the hell is going on , makes you really excited about british speedway doesnt it 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted October 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Compare this to whats happening over here next year , nobody knows how many teams or what league or what make up of teams or even if there will be speedway in Britain next year or what the hell is going on , makes you really excited about british speedway doesnt it Polish Speedway is run a million times better. They look to the future. Such as the new U23 rule for there Number 8 rider. They also have to have covers and special drainage for there tracks by 2020. Apart from Torun(roof) and Wroclaw(already have it) Just much better thinking going forward than the UK will ever have. It's all down to money though and they have lots and we have little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Fair enough. I think he is still a good rider. Teams struggle to have good polish riders. Just look at Torun! He will make them stronger. Why is was a big suprise to me to see Woryna stay at Rybnik even though most Extraliga teams offered him a place. I think Woryna is a little different.Think tradition plays a part in his thinking and he follows his grandfather,that is why i think signing for Poole is very important to him and the Rybnik club also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted October 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 I think Woryna is a little different.Think tradition plays a part in his thinking and he follows his grandfather,that is why i think signing for Poole is very important to him and the Rybnik club also Very true. But the amount of money he was getting offered. But he will be loved in Rybnik for ever if he stays. But he always wanted to sign for Poole and he knew Cov was a stepping stone to Poole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarkens Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Polish Speedway is run a million times better. They look to the future. Such as the new U23 rule for there Number 8 rider. this is the worst rule ever and a massive step back for Polish Speedway 1. Limits the number of riders available in lower leagues 2. Limits the number of heats for u-21 3. U-23 rule means that the club will overpay some average riders that fit the rule (think Polis, Drozdz... normally they'd end up in Nice 1 liga, but now? not so sure) 4. Higher costs 5. Ekstraliga v 1 liga play-off: 8 v 7?? 6. They keep changing the rules every year, it's hard to keep track and to attract new fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted October 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 this is the worst rule ever and a massive step back for Polish Speedway 1. Limits the number of riders available in lower leagues 2. Limits the number of heats for u-21 3. U-23 rule means that the club will overpay some average riders that fit the rule (think Polis, Drozdz... normally they'd end up in Nice 1 liga, but now? not so sure) 4. Higher costs 5. Ekstraliga v 1 liga play-off: 8 v 7?? 6. They keep changing the rules every year, it's hard to keep track and to attract new fans Not really means they can sign young riders like Kurtz, Holder, Fricke. There is 3 teams done right away. This is a massive step up for polish speedway. Its a cheaper future now and a sensible idea. Polish speedway had higher attendances than ever before this year. This will make the league cheaper and hence can invest in new stadiums and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarkens Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 yeah foreign riders replacing young Poles, what a massive step up for Polish Speedway! and how's that cheaper again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted October 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 yeah foreign riders replacing young Poles, what a massive step up for Polish Speedway! and how's that cheaper again? Kurtz is cheaper than having people like Jepsen Jensen at 8. They have plenty of opportunities in the lower leagues and some step up too soon.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarkens Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 what are you talking about?! there were no number 8/16 for the last 10 years, so how on earth introducing it is making anything cheaper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted October 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 what are you talking about?! there were no number 8/16 for the last 10 years, so how on earth introducing it is making anything cheaper? Clubs have had extra riders. I still think its a good idea for the future of this league. Will make it easier for riders to step up into the extraliga and make it cheaper in the long term. You may not like it but I think its a good idea for the future of the league. Back to the transfers. Where is Chris Holder going to end up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 yeah foreign riders replacing young Poles, what a massive step up for Polish Speedway! totally agree the polish system of reserves has made Poland the force it is at under 21 level and over 21 , I believe Britain should adopt the same system and I dont understand how opening it up to foreign riders is going to help polish speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted October 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 totally agree the polish system of reserves has made Poland the force it is at under 21 level and over 21 , I believe Britain should adopt the same system and I dont understand how opening it up to foreign riders is going to help polish speedway They haven't changed the system. They still have 6 and 7 as u21 year old's and 2 main body riders as Poles. So 3 foreign riders. All they have done is that they all have a number 8 now. So the first reserve/Squad man. Who has to be u23. Surely they are helping more young riders develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarkens Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 They haven't changed the system. They still have 6 and 7 as u21 year old's and 2 main body riders as Poles. So 3 foreign riders. All they have done is that they all have a number 8 now. So the first reserve/Squad man. Who has to be u23. Surely they are helping more young riders develop. yes but dont you understand that majority of those u-23 under number 8/16 will be foreign riders - Holder, Kurtz, Fricke, Lambert (not this year, but eventually for sure), Krcmar etc. and quite often they'll be the one replacing underperforming riders under 1-5/9-13 while before it was the young Poles from 6-7/14-15 replacing them? so we definitely changed the system and it's not a good change, cause i don't care about developing another Jason Crump, we should be focusing on developing another Tomasz Gollob, and we've been doing it well until now - Zmarzlik, Pawlicki, Dudek, Janowski... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted October 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 yes but dont you understand that majority of those u-23 under number 8/16 will be foreign riders - Holder, Kurtz, Fricke, Lambert (not this year, but eventually for sure), Krcmar etc. and quite often they'll be the one replacing underperforming riders under 1-5/9-13 while before it was the young Poles from 6-7/14-15 replacing them? so we definitely changed the system and it's not a good change, cause i don't care about developing another Jason Crump, we should be focusing on developing another Tomasz Gollob, and we've been doing it well until now - Zmarzlik, Pawlicki, Dudek, Janowski... Thats fair enough. But eventually you will kill speedway. Who would want a British GP if there was only 3 riders who werent poles. Just eventually kill of the sport. So I dont think thats a good idea. Your league is 10 times better than anyone elses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 Interesting news here https://youtu.be/mZYB9YUwjLI Hancock back to Disneyland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 Polish Speedway is run a million times better. They look to the future. Such as the new U23 rule for there Number 8 rider. They also have to have covers and special drainage for there tracks by 2020. Apart from Torun(roof) and Wroclaw(already have it) Just much better thinking going forward than the UK will ever have. It's all down to money though and they have lots and we have little. So much easier when you have local authorities willing to help / fund you. Polish clubs have their own dedicated stadiums, or at least access to them every day. Compare that to British clubs, who have a constant battle with NIMBYs and authorities. How many authorities over here would be willing to let you have land to build a dedicated speedway track? How many restrictions would be imposed to appease the neighbours? Good luck in trying to access any funds / grants to help you. Totally different attitude toward the sport in the two two countries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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