Kings Lynn 2018..

[foreverblue]

7 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

Certainly take your point and in hindsight I'd agree with you but I'd imagine very few people foresaw how good Musielak was going to be last year for Swindon. Of course your two Poles may not live up to expectations but their achievements abroad suggest they will make a mockery of their starting averages. The point is they are far better riders than when they last rode here.

 

And to quote you lot anyone could have signed Musielak 

Yep and anyone could have signed the two poles

 

[Sidney the robin]

21 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

I don't think he is better than them in the Premiership personally, maybe the Championship due to his extra experience of those tracks. Yes they are both club assets and local lads, products of the Young Stars in fact. 

I don't think it's a particularly awkward figure to accommodate, plenty of teams could have fitted him in if they wished. 

Rose will do very well to better or equal his last average he is also coming back from injury and he really over achieved coped great in the top five.Kerr for me is just a gater hit and miss again he has comeback well from his horrendous injuries and I applaud that .

[mikebv]

10 hours ago, Aces51 said:

Signing riders on an average achieved  a number of years ago, when they were learning their trade and have clearly now improved is unfair and illogical and works against those riders who have progressed and improved during the same period but continued to ride in the UK. It is a problem which is easily avoidable. All riders should be assessed on their most recent performance. If they have not ridden in the UK the previous season a formula can easily be calculated to convert their Polish, Swedish or any other league average to a UK average. It would be transparent and fair to all, so why isn't it done?

Because it is British Team Speedway...

Ran in an amateur,  no doubt well meaning, self policing way...

As you say, a simple matrix of performances around the globe would deliver a figure which could be used by all to determine the vast majority of riders position in the 'grand scheme of things'..

Amazing that a Sport which (over here) slavishly uses averages doesn't then use even more information that's available to more accurately assess each individuals overall level...

No Sport ran with professional, clear, independent  leadership, would allow such contrived and subjective nonsense to take place each year like Speedway in this country does.....

Speedway sadly, unlike properly ran (and ergo often successful) Sports in Britain, doesnt have that leadership frame work in place......

And unfortunately it appears, never will....

It's more of the same old, same old, year on year nonsense I am afraid..

We should be used to it by now though...

[T.N.T.]

Forget Iversen and go for one of the following to get a number that has less commitment.

Lindgren

Hamper

Zagar 

Pawlicki 

 

All have said they would look at riding here and all have good points to make them a better choice.

[Bald Bloke]

34 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

Yep and anyone could have signed the two poles

 

I'm not a Poole fan by a long shot.I think its how Ford is so ruthless with his riders and a few on this forum that put me off  if, i'm honest.

But surely in the position Buster is in now,he wouldn't allow Poole to get these "ringers" in, when he has a team in the same league ?

We can only assume that anyone could of signed Woryna on a 4.65(old ave) and Spanner 4.54 on reduced ave.

Poole sign Woryna on an old 4.65 who's beating then all in Poland and it looks like Lynn might have an untested Anderson on a 4.00..The mind boggles.

 

[mikebv]

8 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said:

I'm not a Poole fan by a long shot.I think its how Ford is so ruthless with his riders and a few on this forum that put me off  if, i'm honest.

But surely in the position Buster is in now,he wouldn't allow Poole to get these "ringers" in, when he has a team in the same league ?

We can only assume that anyone could of signed Woryna on a 4.65(old ave) and Spanner 4.54 on reduced ave.

Poole sign Woryna on an old 4.65 who's beating then all in Poland and it looks like Lynn might have an untested Anderson on a 4.00..The mind boggles.

 

More to do with basic economics I think..

Anyone would have wanted Woryna on that average but whether they could have afforded him is another matter..

I would imagine he is getting a few quid more than many other 4.65 riders!!!

Matt Ford knows his business so knows a successful Poole team brings in the crowds and an 'also ran' Poole team doesn't...

It is quite a unique set up in British Speedway I would suggest as they seem to be the only club who do generate regular "big" crowds for domestic league meetings when doing well and then also have a significant drop when doing not so well..

Cannot think of any other club that has such a disparate crowd level based on performance as most now just run in front of pretty much the same people every week regardless of whether successful or not....

Cannot knock him for speculating to accumulate...

[Bagpuss]

1 hour ago, foreverblue said:

Yep and anyone could have signed the two poles

 

In theory, but in reality not everyone could afford them.

[ouch]

37 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

In theory, but in reality not everyone could afford them.

Not ever team could sign them on those averages. 

[foreverblue]

15 minutes ago, ouch said:

Not ever team could sign them on those averages. 

Why not?

[stevebrum]

2 hours ago, foreverblue said:

Yep and anyone could have signed the two poles

 

Not really tho FB, Woryna signed as a Poole asset and Mateusz is also an asset.

No other clubs really stood a chance of signing either.

[Bald Bloke]

1 hour ago, Bagpuss said:

In theory, but in reality not everyone could afford them.

Buster has owned Lynn for 20 or more years.No rent...He has spent big on the stadium.Don't look like he's selling anytime soon then.Prob worth more for industrial.Must be in one of the better shapes of most in the Prem,but the team looks poor.Buster must be one of the "richest" promoters in the Prem.But spending the least..

 

 

 

Edited January 20, 2018 by Bald Bloke

[foreverblue]

1 minute ago, stevebrum said:

Not really tho FB, Woryna signed as a Poole asset and Mateusz is also an asset.

No other clubs really stood a chance of signing either.

Why couldn't other teams sign them as assets?

[CrystalCastles]

Think it's obviously a team built to a budget.It has positives, riders who have history with Lynn, continuity, Iversen coming back at number 1 is what most Lynn fans want which looks very likely now.

As a neutral the signing 4 riders of similar ability makes the mid order look really weak. Individually none of them are bad signings, but collectively it doesn't look great on paper compared to other teams. Should have a strong reserve though, and  also i think will be solid at home and after last year that is going to be important. However away from home will be tough again, as it's hard to see improvement from any of the main body.

Overall though given some of the riders that Lynn have had or been linked with in the last 5-6 years, the statements made by the promotion, i think i'd be disappointed with the team, i don't really think it looks to be an exciting line up. 

It's important to give the team a chance and they could surprise most people. 
 

[Bald Bloke]

7 minutes ago, CrystalCastles said:

Think it's obviously a team built to a budget.It has positives, riders who have history with Lynn, continuity, Iversen coming back at number 1 is what most Lynn fans want which looks very likely now.

As a neutral the signing 4 riders of similar ability makes the mid order look really weak. Individually none of them are bad signings, but collectively it doesn't look great on paper compared to other teams. Should have a strong reserve though, and  also i think will be solid at home and after last year that is going to be important. However away from home will be tough again, as it's hard to see improvement from any of the main body.

Overall though given some of the riders that Lynn have had or been linked with in the last 5-6 years, the statements made by the promotion, i think i'd be disappointed with the team, i don't really think it looks to be an exciting line up. 

It's important to give the team a chance and they could surprise most people. 
 

Lynn will have a good no.1 and good reserves.Not a play off team ,unless a change or 2 is made mid season

[stevebrum]

26 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

Why couldn't other teams sign them as assets?

You missed my point. Woryna signed before the season as a Poole asset, whilst Mateusz was already an asset of Poole. 

Little chance any other club could have then.

[Bald Bloke]

29 minutes ago, stevebrum said:

You missed my point. Woryna signed before the season as a Poole asset, whilst Mateusz was already an asset of Poole. 

Little chance any other club could have then.

It's while Poole still try n sign.

[g13webb]

10 hours ago, Bald Bloke said:

I'm not a Poole fan by a long shot.I think its how Ford is so ruthless with his riders and a few on this forum that put me off  if, i'm honest.

But surely in the position Buster is in now,he wouldn't allow Poole to get these "ringers" in, when he has a team in the same league ?

We can only assume that anyone could of signed Woryna on a 4.65(old ave) and Spanner 4.54 on reduced ave.

Poole sign Woryna on an old 4.65 who's beating then all in Poland and it looks like Lynn might have an untested Anderson on a 4.00..The mind boggles.

 

Whilst I admire the ruthlessness of Matt Ford, I cant help but think he has some form of leverage over the other promoters.    They must be so gullible to allow him to  use so many loop holes in the rules and do nothing about it.   When Ford signed Woryna, I immediately thought this was a good buy,  but thought he would never be allowed to use him on an average so out of date, but it appears Matt Ford can do whatever he wants.     I wait with laughter,  at the average he will acquire Sundstrom  on.  Bearing in mind he hasn't rode here  for 5yrs, he'll probably get him on  something ridiculous like a 5  

It's always been my belief  the disparity of team strength has been the biggest turnoff  in our sport for years.    Talking with many old supporters who packed up going, this was the reason most used  when asked about  their dwindling  interest.  I'm sure the BSPA will acknowledge this, but appear nonchalant to do anything about it...  

I'm alright Jack !!!!!! 

  

[LesR]

"It's always been my belief  the disparity of team strength has been the biggest turnoff  in our sport for years.    Talking with many old supporters who packed up going, this was the reason most used  when asked about  their dwindling  interest."

I agree with g13webb that this has very often been the case, that's why they introduced the Rider Control back in the old British League. But with the points limit system that is in operation for a long time now, every promoter has the opportunity to build up to the limit in force at the given time. I don't think that you can really moan about the more astute promoters who seek out riders that are likely to improve their averages during the season. I've no doubt that Matt Ford knew that Woryna would come in on the average he has, likewise with Spanner. According to Middlo it's Matt's only form of business now, so he runs it as such, being astute, finding new riders to improve on decent averages, finding sponsorship to enable to afford some riders, like Somerset have done to be able to sign Jason Doyle.

It's about time a lot of the promoters treated speedway as a business and actually promoted, maybe then the crowds would improve and speedway might be on a better footing.

By the way, I don't support Poole or any other club, just speedway in general. 

[BurntFaceMan]

12 hours ago, Bald Bloke said:

I'm not a Poole fan by a long shot.I think its how Ford is so ruthless with his riders and a few on this forum that put me off  if, i'm honest.

But surely in the position Buster is in now,he wouldn't allow Poole to get these "ringers" in, when he has a team in the same league ?

We can only assume that anyone could of signed Woryna on a 4.65(old ave) and Spanner 4.54 on reduced ave.

Poole sign Woryna on an old 4.65 who's beating then all in Poland and it looks like Lynn might have an untested Anderson on a 4.00..The mind boggles.

 

 

1 hour ago, g13webb said:

Whilst I admire the ruthlessness of Matt Ford, I cant help but think he has some form of leverage over the other promoters.    They must be so gullible to allow him to  use so many loop holes in the rules and do nothing about it.   When Ford signed Woryna, I immediately thought this was a good buy,  but thought he would never be allowed to use him on an average so out of date, but it appears Matt Ford can do whatever he wants.     I wait with laughter,  at the average he will acquire Sundstrom  on.  Bearing in mind he hasn't rode here  for 5yrs, he'll probably get him on  something ridiculous like a 5  

It's always been my belief  the disparity of team strength has been the biggest turnoff  in our sport for years.    Talking with many old supporters who packed up going, this was the reason most used  when asked about  their dwindling  interest.  I'm sure the BSPA will acknowledge this, but appear nonchalant to do anything about it...  

I'm alright Jack !!!!!! 

  

The only thing that would be considered cheating or unfair would be if Buster decided to take action against Poole. THAT would be the only injustice. The rules are written and agreed to by all clubs. You cannot start changing the rules because Poole made a good fist of them. Matt isn't even using loopholes! The clubs agreed on how averages need to be calculated and Matt Ford responded by investing the hours and working out the riders that are on the very best value averages. If anything it shows how lazy some other promoters are not to do the very same thing. If Poole hadn't have signed Wornya or Szczepaniak I'd doubt anybody else would even have considered them.

Getting the most out of the rules is one of the most important parts of a sport. Understanding the rules and working out how to maximise your potential within them is almost as important as the racing that goes down on the track. It's impossible to think through every scenario when putting the rules together. The rules are put together on general consensus and then it is down to the teams to go away and make the rules work for them. Some promoters like Matt Ford appreciate this and get to work, whereas other promoters like Buster seem to have this "that'll save us a few quid, job done" attitude. 

[waytogo28]

11 hours ago, Bald Bloke said:

Buster has owned Lynn for 20 or more years.No rent...He has spent big on the stadium.Don't look like he's selling anytime soon then.Prob worth more for industrial.Must be in one of the better shapes of most in the Prem,but the team looks poor.Buster must be one of the "richest" promoters in the Prem.But spending the least..

 

 

 

That is why Buster is one of the "richest" promoters, although "least poor" sounds more appropriate. The Stars team so far, fails to re-ignite my interest even with the likelihood of NKI returning. I would rather have seen Doyle signed or Lindgren for some "freshness".