Kings Lynn 2018..

[emilali]

Kings Lynn must be aiming to come bottom it would appear. Lambert clearly doesnt want to be there, then you sign proctor who isnt even very good in the weakest PL we have seen for years. Feel for the fans.

[Bagpuss]

9 hours ago, speedy bill said:

Why sign a dane when Josh Auty who did a good job last year ,inspite of having to ride to many meeting in to many days is a britt looking for a ride ,he needs two teams or he may go out of the sport due to the cost of keeping the bikes up to standard.

 

 

Because he is never going to get any better and a new young rider like Andersen has potential to be much better than his assessed average.

[Bagpuss]

1 minute ago, emilali said:

Kings Lynn must be aiming to come bottom it would appear. Lambert clearly doesnt want to be there, then you sign proctor who isnt even very good in the weakest PL we have seen for years. Feel for the fans.

Silly to suggest that any team 'aims to come bottom' but the team is obviously built to a tight budget. Would rather be a big fish in a little pond than the other way round but it is what it is and we'll see how things go.

Nobody fancied Swindon this time last year, and I'm not for a minute suggesting this team will win the title, but it could do better than many think if a couple of riders have a breakthrough season. I also accept that most people will think this is the eighth best team in the league, up to the club to prove them wrong.

[Sidney the robin]

1 hour ago, Grachan said:

Doyle would have been at Swindon if a little gang of promoters hadn't ganged together and voted to make sure that the top clubs had to release a rider over 8. I'm sure Jason will be happy at Somerset - and may stay there in the future - but there's no way he would have been there if Somerset and the like hadn't voted for it.

Anyway, the result of the supposed restrictions everyone decided to place on teams is that everyone is going to get stuffed by Poole again. So well done all.

I understand why Swindon did it but it will be gut wrenching when the 2017 world champ comes back to the Abbey with Somerset.Crazy not to have a WC back the following season but again the promoters f.....  up over the crazy only one 8 point man only.

[Speedball]

5 minutes ago, emilali said:

....then you sign proctor who isnt even very good in the weakest PL we have seen for years. Feel for the fans.

What the same Ty Proctor who averaged more than Thomas Jorgensen (in the same team) who was pretty much our rider of the season? The same Ty Procter who averaged more than Heeps, Auty, Palm-Toft, Kerr, Rose, Bates & Robson amongst others.

Think people are doing him a disservice. He'll know most of the Premiership tracks, seems to be a good team man and ridden very well at Lynn previously.

it might work, it might not but I'm at least going to give him a chance before writing him off.

[Bagpuss]

1 hour ago, Grachan said:

Doyle would have been at Swindon if a little gang of promoters hadn't ganged together and voted to make sure that the top clubs had to release a rider over 8. I'm sure Jason will be happy at Somerset - and may stay there in the future - but there's no way he would have been there if Somerset and the like hadn't voted for it.

Anyway, the result of the supposed restrictions everyone decided to place on teams is that everyone is going to get stuffed by Poole again. So well done all.

Take your point and don't necessarily disagree but the reason Poole are head and shoulders above the rest is the failure to reassess riders accurately. Things would be much more even had that been done.

[Aces51]

Signing riders on an average achieved  a number of years ago, when they were learning their trade and have clearly now improved is unfair and illogical and works against those riders who have progressed and improved during the same period but continued to ride in the UK. It is a problem which is easily avoidable. All riders should be assessed on their most recent performance. If they have not ridden in the UK the previous season a formula can easily be calculated to convert their Polish, Swedish or any other league average to a UK average. It would be transparent and fair to all, so why isn't it done?

[Grachan]

1 hour ago, Sidney the robin said:

I understand why Swindon did it but it will be gut wrenching when the 2017 world champ comes back to the Abbey with Somerset.Crazy not to have a WC back the following season but again the promoters f.....  up over the crazy only one 8 point man only.

Agree Sidney. A very big thing for me that we lost the World Champ. I never went when Briggo was winning titles. This could have been the moment I'd waited 40 years for.

I know some people think that having the top riders doesn't mean much, but things like this really drains my enthusiasm.

Will Somerset, King's Lynn etc gain as many supporters as Swindon will lose from this rule? I doubt it.

Edited January 20, 2018 by Grachan

[clambo71]

18 hours ago, TooMuchGrip said:

Kasper Andersen not nailed on for no.7 spot. May miss too many Wednesday's due to Danish commitments. Who else could Stars fit in at 7? Manzares mentioned a few times, any one else?

This also applies to NKI and Thomas Jorgensen. Perhaps your riding mondays.

[SomersetBlue]

3 hours ago, Grachan said:

Doyle would have been at Swindon if a little gang of promoters hadn't ganged together and voted to make sure that the top clubs had to release a rider over 8. I'm sure Jason will be happy at Somerset - and may stay there in the future - but there's no way he would have been there if Somerset and the like hadn't voted for it.

Anyway, the result of the supposed restrictions everyone decided to place on teams is that everyone is going to get stuffed by Poole again. So well done all.

Your opinion and not fact, you don't know who voted for it and why they voted for it. Could easily have been done as a cost saving measure due to the lack of TV revenue. Isn't that half the reason Morris was picked over Doyle. Rosco was the one to drop him not any other club. I'm sure if someone offered more money he would have dropped Swindon at a snap of his fingers. 

[Grachan]

12 minutes ago, rebelwonderkid said:

Your opinion and not fact, you don't know who voted for it and why they voted for it. Could easily have been done as a cost saving measure due to the lack of TV revenue. Isn't that half the reason Morris was picked over Doyle. Rosco was the one to drop him not any other club. I'm sure if someone offered more money he would have dropped Swindon at a snap of his fingers. 

You seem to have a low opinion of your new number one, saying he would have dropped Swindon at the snap of his fingers.

Well, it was the other way round wasn't it?

You may think he is something of a prima donna who is after a large fee. So why would Somerset sign him? Surely they couldn't afford him if he was.

Enjoy having Jason. British speedway doesn't deserve him.

 

[SomersetBlue]

9 minutes ago, Grachan said:

You seem to have a low opinion of your new number one, saying he would have dropped Swindon at the snap of his fingers.

Well, it was the other way round wasn't it?

You may think he is something of a prima donna who is after a large fee. So why would Somerset sign him? Surely they couldn't afford him if he was.

Enjoy having Jason. British speedway doesn't deserve him.

 

Absolutely not i'm buzzing that we have signed him the same as every Rebel fans is and totally understand how hard it is to have lost him. It was hard when we lost him to Leicester (which the promotion gave their consent to) due to his Visa problems. It's not just Doyle any rider would do the same if they are offered more money elsewhere, same as I would move if I was offered more money to move workplace. Lets face it money is the face of everything. 

Anyway let's give KL their thread back. 

Edited January 20, 2018 by rebelwonderkid

[foreverblue]

2 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

Take your point and don't necessarily disagree but the reason Poole are head and shoulders above the rest is the failure to reassess riders accurately. Things would be much more even had that been done.

The issue we Poole fans have is that it always seems to be Poole who are slated for using the rules to their advantage because I don't remember many saying last season that it was wrong to bring in Musielak on a previous average that wasn't relevant to his form. On the other hand if the riders Poole have brought in were re-assessed it wouldn't be worth the risk of using them.

[Aces51]

14 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

The issue we Poole fans have is that it always seems to be Poole who are slated for using the rules to their advantage because I don't remember many saying last season that it was wrong to bring in Musielak on a previous average that wasn't relevant to his form. On the other hand if the riders Poole have brought in were re-assessed it wouldn't be worth the risk of using them.

This is not a new argument and it's not an anti Poole thing. I and others have raised it previously and it has been discussed on many occasions. The idea of team building points limits is to create a level playing field and the skill should be in selecting riders who are likely to improve their real average not identifying riders who have not ridden here for a few seasons and have an out of date unrealistically low average. To be a level playing field all riders, wherever they have ridden, have to be available on an average that reflects their current ability. 

It was wrong that Musielak was signed on his old average and it would be totally wrong if Drozdz achieves a 4.50 average for Belle Vue this year, becomes an asset and then in 4 years time, when he is a top rider in Poland, we bring him back on that average. It destroys the credibility of team building point limits when some of those points are realistic recently achieved averages and some are plainly not.

[Bagpuss]

30 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

The issue we Poole fans have is that it always seems to be Poole who are slated for using the rules to their advantage because I don't remember many saying last season that it was wrong to bring in Musielak on a previous average that wasn't relevant to his form. On the other hand if the riders Poole have brought in were re-assessed it wouldn't be worth the risk of using them.

Certainly take your point and in hindsight I'd agree with you but I'd imagine very few people foresaw how good Musielak was going to be last year for Swindon. Of course your two Poles may not live up to expectations but their achievements abroad suggest they will make a mockery of their starting averages. The point is they are far better riders than when they last rode here.

 

And to quote you lot anyone could have signed Musielak 

[ouch]

5 hours ago, Aces51 said:

This is not a new argument and it's not an anti Poole thing. I and others have raised it previously and it has been discussed on many occasions. The idea of team building points limits is to create a level playing field and the skill should be in selecting riders who are likely to improve their real average not identifying riders who have not ridden here for a few seasons and have an out of date unrealistically low average. To be a level playing field all riders, wherever they have ridden, have to be available on an average that reflects their current ability. 

It was wrong that Musielak was signed on his old average and it would be totally wrong if Drozdz achieves a 4.50 average for Belle Vue this year, becomes an asset and then in 4 years time, when he is a top rider in Poland, we bring him back on that average. It destroys the credibility of team building point limits when some of those points are realistic recently achieved averages and some are plainly not.

If we attempted to sign Drozdz on a low average in years to come the authorities would stop it, much like Zagar this year. 

The irritation of seeing Poole given preferential treatment is only heightened by seeing us continually thwarted. 

[Sidney the robin]

8 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

 

Because he is never going to get any better and a new young rider like Andersen has potential to be much better than his assessed average.

Bagpuss you have made your point over Auty but he is better than Kerr and Rose in my opinion saying that i like Rose always have done see him at Swindon  loads of time for him.This Dane coming in why is he not in the top 5 ? he should be he needs to come in and hit the road running  is he that good ? he might be you don't know that do you?

[Bagpuss]

He's not in the top five because he is on a four point average. Nobody knows if he will be any good but he is at an age where he is likely to improve and somebody must have seen some potential in him to sign him.

 

Not going to get into the Auty debate again as we'll never agree. But I'd suggest that the fact that nobody has signed him on a 4.68 probably says it all.

[Sidney the robin]

4 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

He's not in the top five because he is on a four point average. Nobody knows if he will be any good but he is at an age where he is likely to improve and somebody must have seen some potential in him to sign him.

 

Not going to get into the Auty debate again as we'll never agree. But I'd suggest that the fact that nobody has signed him on a 4.68 probably says it all.

But you sign a bloke with no real reputation as such,  i  know he is promising been mentioned but this Kings Lynn line up looks mighty weak.they cannot afford to carry anyone.As for the 4.68 average that is an awkward figure to fit in anywhere are Kerr and Rose club assets ?  so they are a cheap option Auty did an ok job last year and is better than both of them.

 

[Bagpuss]

I don't think he is better than them in the Premiership personally, maybe the Championship due to his extra experience of those tracks. Yes they are both club assets and local lads, products of the Young Stars in fact. 

I don't think it's a particularly awkward figure to accommodate, plenty of teams could have fitted him in if they wished.