Star Lady Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 56 minutes ago, mrss said: I also think we should give the club a chance at the beginning of the season and see if anything has changed. Last year we were told if you are not in the stadium at start time you would miss the start. There would be no tractors on the centre concrete during the racing. Sadly neither of them lasted long. Let's hope the management start of like the mean to continue and present a professional show. If the same happens again this season, I.e. Starts well then reverts to late starts etc. what would be your reaction? i guess what I'm asking is how many chances are you prepared to give. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynnboy Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 At the beginning of last season they promised they would start at 7:30pm and to be fair they tried for a bit then went back to starting when they felt like it and tractor racing, I am like many others will see how it goes at the beginning of the season if no different will give it a miss and save my Money 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrss Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, Star Lady said: If the same happens again this season, I.e. Starts well then reverts to late starts etc. what would be your reaction? i guess what I'm asking is how many chances are you prepared to give. The problem is speedway is unprofessional. I accept that some delays can't be helped ,like waiting for the sun to go down or riders getting hurt. But many times after long delays there is an interval later on which really pisses me off. I will start the season with high hopes and enthusiasm but if nothing has changed from last year I will stop attending. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Ward Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 21 minutes ago, lynnboy said: At the beginning of last season they promised they would start at 7:30pm and to be fair they tried for a bit then went back to starting when they felt like it and tractor racing, I am like many others will see how it goes at the beginning of the season if no different will give it a miss and save my Money Yes I agree with you about the start time as as I would think 99.9 % of fans would but meetings running on to around 10 o’clock isn’t something that has just started to happen. Going back 50 years my uncle used to take me to Lynn when it used to be on a Saturday night and every week before the second half final we would have to go and stand on the third bend so we could get a quick getaway to get home to watch Match of the Day so this has been going on for years and personally it would take something much worse than this to stop me attending. I do realise it’s a different world now and if my kids were round about 8 years old I would want them home and in bed before 10 with school the next day so I do see your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Reading these posts, it becoming most obvious that the majority are prepared to give the promoters the opportunity to get it right. The ball is firmly in their court. 16 minutes ago, mrss said: The problem is speedway is unprofessional. I accept that some delays can't be helped ,like waiting for the sun to go down or riders getting hurt. But many times after long delays there is an interval later on which really pisses me off. I will start the season with high hopes and enthusiasm but if nothing has changed from last year I will stop attending. I wont have it that speedway is unprofessional , you might have that impression from going to Lynn at times but I have been to many meetings run very professional. both Home and Away. Also, when we get to the summer and the Sun is a hazard, why not have the 15 min interval at the start of the meeting.... ???? and then run right through....... 6 minutes ago, Clive Ward said: Yes I agree with you about the start time as as I would think 99.9 % of fans would but meetings running on to around 10 o’clock isn’t something that has just started to happen. Going back 50 years my uncle used to take me to Lynn when it used to be on a Saturday night and every week before the second half final we would have to go and stand on the third bend so we could get a quick getaway to get home to watch Match of the Day so this has been going on for years and personally it would take something much worse than this to stop me attending. I do realise it’s a different world now and if my kids were round about 8 years old I would want them home and in bed before 10 with school the next day so I do see your point. Years ago we use to run on Saturday night when finishing time wasn't that crucial, and in them days we use to have 22 heats of racing.... Different world now..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Ward Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, g13webb said: Reading these posts, it becoming most obvious that the majority are prepared to give the promoters the opportunity to get it right. The ball is firmly in their court. I wont have it that speedway is unprofessional , you might have that impression from going to Lynn at times but I have been to many meetings run very professional. both Home and Away. Also, when we get to the summer and the Sun is a hazard, why not have the 15 min interval at the start of the meeting.... ???? and then run right through....... Years ago we use to run on Saturday night when finishing time wasn't that crucial, and in them days we use to have 22 heats of racing.... Different world now..... Most certainly is, kings Lynn on a Saturday night Boston on a Sunday night, great times 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Ward Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 With the new ruling on starts we shouldn’t lose so much time. Should save at least 10 minutes a meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 17 minutes ago, Clive Ward said: With the new ruling on starts we shouldn’t lose so much time. Should save at least 10 minutes a meeting. What ruling is that then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Ward Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, A ORLOV said: What ruling is that then ? Apparently riders can move at the start without being penalised and races will only be called back if a rider touches or breaks the tapes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted February 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Clive Ward said: Apparently riders can move at the start without being penalised and races will only be called back if a rider touches or breaks the tapes. That's what I heard a while back.James Sarjeant was a gift on a 2.58 for 2018. Well done the Lions. Edited February 20, 2018 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Clive Ward said: Apparently riders can move at the start without being penalised and races will only be called back if a rider touches or breaks the tapes. Great as it will save a lot of restarts and stop fans getting pi##ed off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Ward Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: That's what I heard a while back.James Sarjeant was a gift on a 2.58 for 2018. Well done the Lions. I’d heard something about it a fair while ago but nobody seemed to know just what was going to happen so I asked Dale at the fans forum and he told me what was going to happen this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 47 minutes ago, A ORLOV said: Great as it will save a lot of restarts and stop fans getting pi##ed off. We would all like to think so but I do have concerns. Giving all riders the freedom of the flyer could actually increase XT delays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 6 hours ago, Hodgy said: We would all like to think so but I do have concerns. Giving all riders the freedom of the flyer could actually increase XT delays. I think the riders who move constantly will punish themselves over a whole season anyway. The referee 's job is to make sure the riders do not hit the tapes and get the tapes up in a smooth manor it should be better it cannot be any worse than last year restarts galore and it might add a bit to the entertainment side of thing's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 I don't see the problems with the laws we have already. I think too much is made of riders who take the gamble. The rules state if you touch the tapes your excluded . The riders know the rules, the Ref controls the tapes, where's the problem. ? What really gets up people backs, is when the red light comes on for the slightest infringement, riders goes back to the pits, mechanics come out, another 10mins of waiting about . If a rider anticipates the starts, and gets away with it, then good on him, The Ref will have to keep an eye on him.,, It brings added excitement back into proceedings.... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 47 minutes ago, g13webb said: I don't see the problems with the laws we have already. I think too much is made of riders who take the gamble. The rules state if you touch the tapes your excluded . The riders know the rules, the Ref controls the tapes, where's the problem. ? What really gets up people backs, is when the red light comes on for the slightest infringement, riders goes back to the pits, mechanics come out, another 10mins of waiting about . If a rider anticipates the starts, and gets away with it, then good on him, The Ref will have to keep an eye on him.,, It brings added excitement back into proceedings.... Agree.. Only the tapes actually going up starts races so all the riders can only 'go' when that happens anyway.. If you go too early you risk the chance of touching the tapes and face possible exclusion... The only area of the start that requires fixing if you want to allow rides to move is that they can't be allowed to 'drop back' from the white line at the tapes as some do now so as to give themselves more space between the front wheel and the tapes, allowing them to roll forward more. But that is where the starting marshal and referee come in to ensure that doesn't happen and have strong consequence for any rider doing it.. It would give 'lesser riders' in particular a chance to get out in front in races that they would usually feel they didn't stand a chance in, and on the back of that it could possibly mean more passing as that races 'obvious favourite' would have to come from the back to win.. It would also add another psychological edge to the riders (and team managers) tactics as risks will be instructed to be taken as the meeting reaches conclusion and you need points. Also the crowd enagement it would engender as riders move, roll back, move again etc etc to seek an advantage, would deliver some much needed noise and atmosphere... Edited February 21, 2018 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 This is where the difficulty is with speedway being a professional sport but also entertainment. No rider should get an advantage at the start in this way as it's their living and points means money but if as you say a bit of rolling adds to the entertainment..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 11 hours ago, Hodgy said: We would all like to think so but I do have concerns. Giving all riders the freedom of the flyer could actually increase XT delays. Hope not as the delays, for whever reason, apart from accidents or a busted airbag, are causing quite a few fans to question going, especially when it is cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Will there be more exclusions caused by riders being "conned" by other riders who, sitting a few inches back from the tapes, fake a start. Then there are the ones who move back a bit and creep forwards so they're moving when the tapes rise. So the onus now should be on the refs to hit the button good and early, to minimise those tactics. Their job has been simplified in one respect but I think there should be a back wheel white line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 How difficult would it be to have a solid bar which track staff could place behind the riders once they were at tapes. Knock it down and be excluded. Would stop pulling back and rolling but probably cause other probs I've not thought of! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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