Kings Lynn 2018..

[A ORLOV]

I hope the club do get issues sorted out and fans who have stopped going most weeks return but is is no good if the management do not listen to their fans, ignore problems and believe everything is ok.  

[Haza]

9 minutes ago, mrss said:

Haza. All you ever do is keep saying the club haven't done anything to make you support them again. If you don't want to go to the speedway , then stop at home. No one is going to knock on your door and beg you to go.

And that exactly what I and many others did last season after they threw the towel in I’d have thought any club would try to get those who walked away back but maybe I’m wrong ?

[semion]

14 minutes ago, Star Lady said:

A winning team might be what tempts some folk back and may well tempt a few newbies but for me it's not the be all and end all. When and if (note the order of those words I'm trying to be positive) entertainment and value for money appear IMO a lot more will be attracted. 

For those who are not going it will results that tempt them back not performance ( how can you judge entertainment value if you are not there!?).  So likewise, for me, it’s not always about winning (nice to win thought aint it ?).  I remember back in the days when Lynn were in the 2nd tier and dicking teams out of sight, it became a total bore. Trap to line Speedway.  Got to the stage when I was willing  Lynn riders to miss the gate.

[tellboy]

53 minutes ago, semion said:

For those who are not going it will results that tempt them back not performance ( how can you judge entertainment value if you are not there!?).  So likewise, for me, it’s not always about winning (nice to win thought aint it ?).  I remember back in the days when Lynn were in the 2nd tier and dicking teams out of sight, it became a total bore. Trap to line Speedway.  Got to the stage when I was willing  Lynn riders to miss the gate.

IMO sport is about winning and most supporters want to see their team win.If you could have the mixture of both,winning and great racing that is the perfect combination and 100% of supporters would go home happy.But even back in the day you never got that only on occasions.

You rightly pointed out back in the 2nd tier we were hammering teams and it wasn't good speedway.But the support was there,so to me this suggests at least 90% of supporters want to see their team win first and foremost.

[Bagpuss]

To me all these ingredients are important; good racing, a competitive team if not one who always wins and the feeling of being valued as a customer. I didn't personally see last year's actions as 'throwing in the towel', but more taking a stand against a couple of disruptive team members who weren't interested in giving 100% an replacing them with much weaker riders but with some who did give maximum effort.

The promotion were partly to blame for the whole mess so although there were apologies and statements I think more could have been done to admit that mistakes had been made. I think this probably went a fair way to getting Brundle on board. Hopefully we will get a rallying call before April to appease people and reassure them that their concerns are being fully considered.

[mrss]

1 hour ago, Haza said:

And that exactly what I and many others did last season after they threw the towel in I’d have thought any club would try to get those who walked away back but maybe I’m wrong ?

What do you want the club to do or say so you attend again? 

[Starman2006]

4 hours ago, A ORLOV said:

I hope the club do get issues sorted out and fans who have stopped going most weeks return but is is no good if the management do not listen to their fans, ignore problems and believe everything is ok.  

Fans have to be listened to mate, they are the clubs/promotions bread and butter. You must also remember all the track staff/volunteers who give up there own time to help there club, ok they get free entry and they like there speedway but they dont sit around doing nothing, ask any of our rakers..

[Sidney the robin]

2 hours ago, mrss said:

What do you want the club to do or say so you attend again? 

 I don't who you are i don't care either to be honest, but King's Lynn need to win support back from supporters who have been let down Haza is he that wrong in what he says.?

[mrss]

No Haza isn't wrong in what he says. But all he does on here is moan about the Kings Lynn speedway club, and how last season was a shambles. It's time to move on. 

[Star Lady]

7 hours ago, semion said:

For those who are not going it will results that tempt them back not performance ( how can you judge entertainment value if you are not there!?).  So likewise, for me, it’s not always about winning (nice to win thought aint it ?).  I remember back in the days when Lynn were in the 2nd tier and dicking teams out of sight, it became a total bore. Trap to line Speedway.  Got to the stage when I was willing  Lynn riders to miss the gate.

I'll judge entertainment value from comments on here by folk whose opinions I value.  Yourself, Bagpuss and a couple of others. Bear in mind I'm not solely  referring to the racing , not listing things tho, been done before. Yep 2 tier did become a bit boring, I became an advocate of handicaps

[Starman2006]

6 minutes ago, Star Lady said:

I'll judge entertainment value from comments on here by folk whose opinions I value.  Yourself, Bagpuss and a couple of others. Bear in mind I'm not solely  referring to the racing , not listing things tho, been done before. Yep 2 tier did become a bit boring, I became an advocate of handicaps

So was i an advocate of handicaps, untill  the  powers that be compressed the weights ..

[Daniel Smith]

3 hours ago, mrss said:

No Haza isn't wrong in what he says. But all he does on here is moan about the Kings Lynn speedway club, and how last season was a shambles. It's time to move on. 

Isn't what you're suggesting been the problem in Speedway?

From 1 bad year to the next we're always told to move on, it will get better.

So, while the crowds continue to dwindle, admissions go up and quality on offer deteriorate every Speedway fan should just suck it up?

I still love Speedway, I still love the King's Lynn Stars even more but my breaking point has been reached by the mentioned above. No more am I willing to put ££'s into the club until I feel there's 'Value For Money' on offer.

For me, there's no more 'time to move on'. The way the club is run has to be encouraging and so far this winter it's still been very poor from a fans point of view. No genuine heartfelt apologies for last season. No apology for the crass ripping off of season ticket holders. 

So no, I ain't just gonna move on. I feel justified in not doing so. It's up to the club to make me feel positive and so far regarding 2018 I feel they're still trying to rip off fans with a cheap poor team and increased admission costs to the many.

[tellboy]

57 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said:

Isn't what you're suggesting been the problem in Speedway?

From 1 bad year to the next we're always told to move on, it will get better.

So, while the crowds continue to dwindle, admissions go up and quality on offer deteriorate every Speedway fan should just suck it up?

I still love Speedway, I still love the King's Lynn Stars even more but my breaking point has been reached by the mentioned above. No more am I willing to put ££'s into the club until I feel there's 'Value For Money' on offer.

For me, there's no more 'time to move on'. The way the club is run has to be encouraging and so far this winter it's still been very poor from a fans point of view. No genuine heartfelt apologies for last season. No apology for the crass ripping off of season ticket holders. 

So no, I ain't just gonna move on. I feel justified in not doing so. It's up to the club to make me feel positive and so far regarding 2018 I feel they're still trying to rip off fans with a cheap poor team and increased admission costs to the many.

Would you care to tell us how much the riders are getting paid,i've always wanted to know

[Daniel Smith]

2 hours ago, tellboy said:

Would you care to tell us how much the riders are getting paid,i've always wanted to know

irrelevant to my enjoyment 

[DizzAssStar]

16 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said:

irrelevant to my enjoyment 

Moving goalposts eh......................... "cheap poor team" appeared to be relevant in your earlier post!

As usual  .......................so many of the "Neggys" base the majority of their yesteryear gripes on subjective and non-quantifiable issues!

Maybe someone can explain what VFM actually is in speedway terms ................... maybe 5 laps in each race or 10 extra wheelies or even a mandatory 12 passes in each lap or howzabout 19 heats in a match.

So come-on ...........so that we may all understand ................. please lets have "something" that we can actually "nail it to" !

 "Ya know somebody really should do something about it"   

[tellboy]

4 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

irrelevant to my enjoyment 

It seemed relevant in your earlier post.I take it you don't really know how cheap the team is.Like me and about 99.9% of the supporters we don't exactly know how much the riders are costing the club.

[Haza]

5 hours ago, DizzAssStar said:

Moving goalposts eh......................... "cheap poor team" appeared to be relevant in your earlier post!

As usual  .......................so many of the "Neggys" base the majority of their yesteryear gripes on subjective and non-quantifiable issues!

Maybe someone can explain what VFM actually is in speedway terms ................... maybe 5 laps in each race or 10 extra wheelies or even a mandatory 12 passes in each lap or howzabout 19 heats in a match.

So come-on ...........so that we may all understand ................. please lets have "something" that we can actually "nail it to" !

 "Ya know somebody really should do something about it"   

So for the extra £1 what are we actually going to get for that £1 ? yes only £1 some will say but we must be getting something for it surely . Maybe it’s to pay for Iversen maybe it’s to cover for reduced or no tv revenue or reduced sponsorship I’ve no idea but it would be great to no were and what it’s being spent on - as I said in a previous post at night at KL costs around £60 - £65 for myself and my other half we can go out and have a very good meal with few beers for a lot less than that and not have to rush around to get there after work or arrive home late with an early start the next morning - the times over the last few seasons I’ve walked out of the stadium and thought why did we come after long drawn out meetings poor racing or whatever reasons - last season when they changed the team mid season that broke the KL speedway habit for us and I thank Buster for that  it made us realise there are other things to do on a Wednesday night. 

[g13webb]

10 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

 Isn't what you're suggesting been the problem in Speedway?

From 1 bad year to the next we're always told to move on, it will get better.

So, while the crowds continue to dwindle, admissions go up and quality on offer deteriorate every Speedway fan should just suck it up?

I still love Speedway, I still love the King's Lynn Stars even more but my breaking point has been reached by the mentioned above. No more am I willing to put ££'s into the club until I feel there's 'Value For Money' on offer.

For me, there's no more 'time to move on'. The way the club is run has to be encouraging and so far this winter it's still been very poor from a fans point of view. No genuine heartfelt apologies for last season. No apology for the crass ripping off of season ticket holders. 

So no, I ain't just gonna move on. I feel justified in not doing so. It's up to the club to make me feel positive and so far regarding 2018 I feel they're still trying to rip off fans with a cheap poor team and increased admission costs to the many.

I understand and agree with everything you wrote.  The contempt, that the promotion showed towards their fans last year was  beyond reproach,  and any  promotion worth its salt, should have placed the recovery and rectifying of  any damaged done, the first jobs on their lists.    To brush it under the carpet only  compounds the damage that was done.   

Some of the posts  persecuting your views  are not worthy of a comment,   they ought to  know what you were referring too.   .  If they wish to bury their heads than so be it.     But to me I  live in the real world  that can voice an opinion, without being  ridiculed for it.     I will still go to watch speedway for my own enjoyment.  I under no pretence that I am a valued Stars supporter anymore, that elusion was killed off  last year...   

Edited February 19, 2018 by g13webb

[Halifaxtiger]

19 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

To me all these ingredients are important; good racing, a competitive team if not one who always wins and the feeling of being valued as a customer. I didn't personally see last year's actions as 'throwing in the towel', but more taking a stand against a couple of disruptive team members who weren't interested in giving 100% an replacing them with much weaker riders but with some who did give maximum effort.

The promotion were partly to blame for the whole mess so although there were apologies and statements I think more could have been done to admit that mistakes had been made. I think this probably went a fair way to getting Brundle on board. Hopefully we will get a rallying call before April to appease people and reassure them that their concerns are being fully considered.

As an outsider, that is the way I saw it. No question that it weakened the team, but better to do that than allow a couple of prima donnas to ride rough shod over everyone at King's Lynn.

For that reason - ie that 2017 was exceptional - there is a strong case for writing it off and moving on. Its not the same old, same old here.

 

[Sidney the robin]

What i cant understand is that a few King's Lynn fans have ridiculed some  for voicing there opinion they insinuate they are moaning for the sake of it.Some of these are long serving supporters who only want what is best for King's Lynn speedway.Every supporter is important whether you have been going for 50 years or 5 years but if you think about it if clubs lose there diehard supporters the clubs will be knackered not anough of the  new blood supporter is coming in to replace these Oldies.

Edited February 19, 2018 by Sidney the robin