Bald Bloke Posted January 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Midland Red said: Does Lambert want to earn a living out of riding in Poland, and earn a living out of riding in Sweden, as well as earning a living out of riding in the UK? Three livings? Isn't that a tad greedy? No different from the other riders that ride in the same countries. I'm not keen on Lambo's Speedway Star story,or that he may of had it made difficult for him to sign elsewhere. I think it might not be a smooth season for Lambo at Lynn.I might be wrong. But at Roberts level,age is irrelevant,The effort and risk as well as the cost involved, i think he is entitled to earn a living from riding in the UK.Ok he won't retire rich from his UK profit alone,but surely a 7.5 Prem league rider should clear between £500 and £1k a week in the UK.Same as a plumber.Should'nt need to work a normal job as well.. Edited January 13, 2018 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 19 hours ago, mrss said: I hear Carl Wilkinson is looking for a team place. Would he be alright at reserve for the Stars? We all know the tale of how he beat Tai Woffinden around KL - once. But most of his other rides were poor or often very poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 I cant help thinking Lambert has this attitude problem, that's not conducive with communicating with people. Always keen to confront contentious comments from the crowd , a behaviour more suited to lesser lights. He has to realise, most place him on a pedestal and expect a bit of servility. He is good enough to walk around with an air of confidence, a presence you only get when you reach that quality level. I haven't seen this in Lambert yet, mostly its a solemn face showing worry and concern. I appreciate not everybody is built the same way, but being a professional in any sport you have to appear aloft and confident, telling your opponents you are more than ready. I was disappointed at the article in the Speedway Star. I wanted to read that Lambert had again signed for the Stars and was looking forward to the coming season. I wanted read how happy he was, how confident he was of doing well, and his positive views on the assembled team. But all I read was how negativity his views were of the sport, and putting excuses in place for when they were needed.. Sure, the asset system is wrong and dated, but this was not the place or time to put emphasis on it . His sponsorship is also a private matter , I am at a lost why he decided to opinionate that. He has never openly declared his previous deals with the public, so why include it in this article unless he was putting excuses in place... I've got no problems with Lambert earning big money, but he needs to start scoring big every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 Webb, how about back in the day when Mr Kings Lynn,Terry Betts use to Tell Maurice/Cyril he wouldn't be back the following season just to squeeze a few quid extra out of them? All part of the game, or not very professional ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisperer Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) I haven't read the article but my guess is Robert has been too open and somewhat naive with the writer, it wasn't Paul Burbidge by any chance was it? Paul is very good at taking off the record remarks and turning them into print and whilst the interviewee has an expectation of what will appear it's what is on the voice recorder that evidences the published piece. Paul has succeeded in bringing a different dimension to the GP's though, he is extremely capable and should not be underestimated. Edited January 14, 2018 by Whisperer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 Lambert said in the article what many riders think without going public with their thoughts. Is thst him being naive or should he be admired for having the conkers to say it out loud ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 41 minutes ago, g13webb said: I cant help thinking Lambert has this attitude problem, that's not conducive with communicating with people. Always keen to confront contentious comments from the crowd , a behaviour more suited to lesser lights. He has to realise, most place him on a pedestal and expect a bit of servility. He is good enough to walk around with an air of confidence, a presence you only get when you reach that quality level. I haven't seen this in Lambert yet, mostly its a solemn face showing worry and concern. I appreciate not everybody is built the same way, but being a professional in any sport you have to appear aloft and confident, telling your opponents you are more than ready. I was disappointed at the article in the Speedway Star. I wanted to read that Lambert had again signed for the Stars and was looking forward to the coming season. I wanted read how happy he was, how confident he was of doing well, and his positive views on the assembled team. But all I read was how negativity his views were of the sport, and putting excuses in place for when they were needed.. Sure, the asset system is wrong and dated, but this was not the place or time to put emphasis on it . His sponsorship is also a private matter , I am at a lost why he decided to opinionate that. He has never openly declared his previous deals with the public, so why include it in this article unless he was putting excuses in place... I've got no problems with Lambert earning big money, but he needs to start scoring big every time. I agree,his article in Star is very negitive towards Kings Lynn and basically he was left no choice and is there under protest.Needs better management IMO . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 49 minutes ago, semion said: Webb, how about back in the day when Mr Kings Lynn,Terry Betts use to Tell Maurice/Cyril he wouldn't be back the following season just to squeeze a few quid extra out of them? All part of the game, or not very professional ? Them good ole days. Like you say Mr Kings Lynn, Terry Betts was the ultimate professional. Mr Reliable would never say a word out of place, and yes he would use any which way to squeeze a few more quid in contract talks. But Bettsy realised it was 'Bums on Seats' that made the sport work and would never say anything detrimental which could be deemed as negative.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 Then we had Mike Lee, how many times did he go public with a transfer request etc. ? All done in the press but each time a new deal was struck. The reason ? Because he was the big draw for the Promotion and what do you get with big draws ? Bums on seats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, semion said: Lambert said in the article what many riders think without going public with their thoughts. Is thst him being naive or should he be admired for having the conkers to say it out loud ? Absolutely, people label him and Woffy arrogant for being honest and speaking their minds but I find it refreshing. They are driven and desperate to be successful and will speak out if things block their path. Because they aren't yes men they will always be unpopular unfortunately but I would rather read honesty. I don't believe Lambert will give anything less than 100% for Lynn on race night but time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWP Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 Reading the forum and the comments re Roberts interview in Speedway Star. I am not giving my opinion on it. However some facts my help you. I have done an approx. costing for a rider doing one UK league. Naturally a rider doubling up, some costs would increase or decrease or not exist. These figures are from my experience for an annual cost to a rider. 2 bikes/engines @ £8000 each = £16000 spread over 2 years = £8000 Spares £4000 (surprising how many spares needed in a season and that’s without a blown engine cost) Other equipment - helmet/goggles/tools £1000 Oils/Lubricants/bike cleaning materials etc. £500 Van hire 8 months £2400 Mechanic £4500 Flights 50% of cost £3000 Airport travel costs £500 Budgeting travel Rain off expenses ( no income ) £1000 Fuel van £800 Engine servicing £3000 Insurance van £800 ( many mechanics under 25 ) Injury Insurance rider £400 Sundry misc. expenses £1000 (always unexpected costs) Total £30900 These are the costs, looking back through them it would be easy to increase some. But this gives a ball park figure. Naturally some costs are off set by sponsors supplying their goods which a rider uses. But it is still a cost and a rider needs equipment sponsors as well as cash sponsors. From this total cost, now you can can calculate how much a rider needs to earn per point or plus get sponsor deals to make it all pay. Certain some of you will argue these figures. That’s your opinion, but as for 5 years I’ve being paying invoices I know these figures are a good ball park figure. I am just giving factual figures - this is not my opinion of what’s right or wrong. I will leave it to you to do your own calculations and come up with what ever view you wish. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just as with Terry Betts and Michael Lee - Bums on Seats really counted and I think without Lambert there would Bums off Seats to some extent at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 24 minutes ago, DWP said: Reading the forum and the comments re Roberts interview in Speedway Star. I am not giving my opinion on it. However some facts my help you. I have done an approx. costing for a rider doing one UK league. Naturally a rider doubling up, some costs would increase or decrease or not exist. These figures are from my experience for an annual cost to a rider. 2 bikes/engines @ £8000 each = £16000 spread over 2 years = £8000 Spares £4000 (surprising how many spares needed in a season and that’s without a blown engine cost) Other equipment - helmet/goggles/tools £1000 Oils/Lubricants/bike cleaning materials etc. £500 Van hire 8 months £2400 Mechanic £4500 Flights 50% of cost £3000 Airport travel costs £500 Budgeting travel Rain off expenses ( no income ) £1000 Fuel van £800 Engine servicing £3000 Insurance van £800 ( many mechanics under 25 ) Injury Insurance rider £400 Sundry misc. expenses £1000 (always unexpected costs) Total £30900 These are the costs, looking back through them it would be easy to increase some. But this gives a ball park figure. Naturally some costs are off set by sponsors supplying their goods which a rider uses. But it is still a cost and a rider needs equipment sponsors as well as cash sponsors. From this total cost, now you can can calculate how much a rider needs to earn per point or plus get sponsor deals to make it all pay. Certain some of you will argue these figures. That’s your opinion, but as for 5 years I’ve being paying invoices I know these figures are a good ball park figure. I am just giving factual figures - this is not my opinion of what’s right or wrong. I will leave it to you to do your own calculations and come up with what ever view you wish. Thanks for your information David, I don't doubt your honesty one bit. This more than anything illustrates just how much the sport has become too expensive and unsustainable. A sport where attendances struggle to reach 1500 it is ridiculous economics for a new rider to contemplate in participating. Top riders are expected to earn decent money which would more then cover those costs, but the majority of riders are less prominent and would struggle to make them ends meet. It is little wonder the riders need that amount to compete and also see why the promoters are flogging a dead horse. Many years ago, in conversation with Terry Betts when riding a 2 value Jawa, he said he purchased a new bike every year, keeping last years as a spare. After each meeting it was hosed down and the chain oiled. Additionally, after each month, the chain and tyres were replaced. He commented this would guarantee competitive equipment for the whole season. How things have changed!!! No the races weren't as fast but the enjoyment was just as good... We need new ideas to control those costs. David has just illustrated the outlay is way out of line.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 So a 7 point average rider on £400 a point over 28 league matches makes £78,400 minus costs of £30,900, leaving £47,500 for seven months work provided he stays injury free. You can see why sub-7 pointers need doubling up and the better riders aspire to another £200k in Poland/Sweden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWP Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, DC2 said: So a 7 point average rider on £400 a point over 28 league matches makes £78,400 minus costs of £30,900, leaving £47,500 for seven months work provided he stays injury free. You can see why sub-7 pointers need doubling up and the better riders aspire to another £200k in Poland/Sweden. £400 a point ?????? Lol 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 hours ago, g13webb said: I cant help thinking Lambert has this attitude problem, that's not conducive with communicating with people. Always keen to confront contentious comments from the crowd , a behaviour more suited to lesser lights. He has to realise, most place him on a pedestal and expect a bit of servility. He is good enough to walk around with an air of confidence, a presence you only get when you reach that quality level. I haven't seen this in Lambert yet, mostly its a solemn face showing worry and concern. I appreciate not everybody is built the same way, but being a professional in any sport you have to appear aloft and confident, telling your opponents you are more than ready. I was disappointed at the article in the Speedway Star. I wanted to read that Lambert had again signed for the Stars and was looking forward to the coming season. I wanted read how happy he was, how confident he was of doing well, and his positive views on the assembled team. But all I read was how negativity his views were of the sport, and putting excuses in place for when they were needed.. Sure, the asset system is wrong and dated, but this was not the place or time to put emphasis on it . His sponsorship is also a private matter , I am at a lost why he decided to opinionate that. He has never openly declared his previous deals with the public, so why include it in this article unless he was putting excuses in place... I've got no problems with Lambert earning big money, but he needs to start scoring big every time. You can tell Lambert does not by choice wants to be at Lynn, not good for fans or himself, but his hands are tied. IMO the faster he can get away from Lynn the better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrss Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 I think the Robert Lambert knocking has been done enough now. It's time to move on and look forward to the start of the season. And to the announcement of the final 4 riders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 16 minutes ago, sommelier said: You can tell Lambert does not by choice wants to be at Lynn, not good for fans or himself, but his hands are tied. IMO the faster he can get away from Lynn the better That is as may be but it's unlikely to be until 2019 now, perhaps over the next few months things will change with a new promoter on board and if he has a breakthrough season he may not feel the need to be elsewhere. A lot can happen in twelve months, rather than predicting doom and gloom let's just see what happens. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 Ok so Robert here for the season now cant say if i am happy or sad about it but you never know after this year he mite be glad he stayed but then if he wants to go let him go . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrss Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 Has Kim Nillson got a team place in Britian this season? He would be a decent signing on a 7 .56 average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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