MattK Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 16 minutes ago, Hamish McRaker said: How different have things become with the GP era! Riders now having a whole entourage of helpers, all needing to be paid for their time and services. Do they? At GPs most riders have two or three mechanics. At league meetings I can't remember seeing a rider at Swindon with more than two other people in their pit area, unless they have guests, who are indirectly paying for the experience. Who are these riders with "a whole entourage of helpers"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reliant Robin Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 15 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Because now the gap is closer than it has ever been, unless clubs move up in the next few years one big league has to happen. So it stands to reason that Premiership Clubs should be able to charge at least the same as Championship Clubs? I'm not saying that they both aren't overpriced, but the comments of reducing entry to £10 due to weakening league doesn't stack up when you take a look at the strength of the league below and their gate prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 27 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: If you think the higher standard premier league is worth £10 why do the championship clubs charge £15-17? Championship clubs charge too much as well - the cut backs in team strength in the Premiership should mean a cut in admission prices but I bet it doesn’t- it’s a £10 sport at best and just maybe if it was £10 it might encourage new fans and old fans to return just maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 Set admission prices for every club would be good but i think it would kill some club . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 12 minutes ago, Reliant Robin said: So it stands to reason that Premiership Clubs should be able to charge at least the same as Championship Clubs? I'm not saying that they both aren't overpriced, but the comments of reducing entry to £10 due to weakening league doesn't stack up when you take a look at the strength of the league below and their gate prices. I think Robin the Premiership should be 12 pound and the Championship 10 pound. now that the Sky money is not there ( higher than BT ? ) can clubs afford to do those 10 pound offers now.?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 You couldnt charge £10 fornl and break even. £10 is a nonesense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theboss Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: You couldnt charge £10 fornl and break even. £10 is a nonesense. I think we all know clubs would go bust if they did, however it does not stop people having the view that what is on offer should only cost £10 to watch. Luckily for clubs it seems their loyal fans are happy to pay whatever they wish to charge, however I do feel people would attend more matches and new fans could be attracted if admission was reduced. I think £12 is about right including a free digital download of the meeting programme through a BSPA app (if not attending then the download is available for £1). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theboss Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 1 hour ago, PHILIPRISING said: BT have offered a one-year deal (don't know the details) but presume the ball is now in the court of the Premiership tracks. Yes aware of that philip, however my guess is the BSPA are going to say thanks but no thanks, hence why Thorsell was picked over Lindgren... I assume the cheaper option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 Clubs have been losing money and seem at be last to be realising that they have to live within their means if they are going to survive. They are reducing their costs but to suggest they could reduce admission to £10 shows how unrealistic some fans are. To survive and hopefully, make a profit, admission charges will have to stay as they are. Particularly, with the loss of the TV revenue. The rider costs of a PL team is still going to be considerably more than that of a CL team. Many riders may operate in both leagues but a PL team has more of the better, more expensive riders because they are building to a significantly higher team building figure. Manchester isn't one of the more affluent areas of the country and yet more fans pay £20 to sit in the Grandstand than £17 to stand on the south side. If admission costs and value for money we such an issue I would expect the reverse to be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirates Of Poole Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) 35 minutes ago, jchapman said: Yes aware of that philip, however my guess is the BSPA are going to say thanks but no thanks, hence why Thorsell was picked over Lindgren... I assume the cheaper option Would be very stupid to turn down a 1 year deal down, even if the money is poor. Except offer then immediately start making plans for 2019 and other options, an internal channel from BSPA or speak to other broadcasters. Get the rules sorted early and get out there and sell the product, don't get to next November and do nothing and be in the same boat which is the norm with people running UK speedway. Things don't just fall into your lap you have to go and work for it! Get all clubs to put on a real show come to agreement for both sides where stadiums are packed, make the product look good and then use that to sell to other broadcasters. Use BT and then somehow get a bidding war if you can get a second company interested in the product. Edited December 13, 2017 by Pirates Of Poole 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 1 hour ago, MattK said: Do they? At GPs most riders have two or three mechanics. At league meetings I can't remember seeing a rider at Swindon with more than two other people in their pit area, unless they have guests, who are indirectly paying for the experience. Who are these riders with "a whole entourage of helpers"? Well they may not all actually be there in person Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 2 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: BT have offered a one-year deal (don't know the details) but presume the ball is now in the court of the Premiership tracks. Is this a newer offer? We know about one offer made this winter already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 Regarding it being a £10 sport, I agree it is IF there is no added entertainment. What clubs need to realise is they can provide added extra entertainment at little or no extra cost. It might involve some effort and use of brain cells (assuming they are available ) but fans would be more willing to attend if they weren't expected to stand on terraces for what seems like hours between 15 races of one minute duration. there have been numerous suggestions for extra entertainment muted on this forum, some of them very good. Such a shame few promoters read them 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 25 minutes ago, Aces51 said: Clubs have been losing money and seem at be last to be realising that they have to live within their means if they are going to survive. They are reducing their costs but to suggest they could reduce admission to £10 shows how unrealistic some fans are. To survive and hopefully, make a profit, admission charges will have to stay as they are. Particularly, with the loss of the TV revenue. The rider costs of a PL team is still going to be considerably more than that of a CL team. Many riders may operate in both leagues but a PL team has more of the better, more expensive riders because they are building to a significantly higher team building figure. Manchester isn't one of the more affluent areas of the country and yet more fans pay £20 to sit in the Grandstand than £17 to stand on the south side. If admission costs and value for money we such an issue I would expect the reverse to be true. Nothing seems to have worked to attract old and new fans to speedway a £10 admission could do just that surely it’s better to have more fans in the stadiums up and down the country maybe £10 is a but low but all I’m saying is why not try reducing admission my guess with increased numbers clubs would better off - look at KL last season cut cost dumping Holder and Batch replaced them with riders on lesser wage crowd fell away had they adjusted the admission price accordingly that may not have happened but they charged the same . I’m not saying cut the admission at the cost of clubs closing but let’s think outside the box a bit more that all I’m saying 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 No professional sport is a £10 sport and even sports at semi pro level is a bit more than that. I think that £15 would be fair price but promoters do need to look at improving pre meeting and in between heats entertainment. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted December 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, Col said: The 8+ Oyster, who do you want Lynn fabns? Lindgren, PUK or Doyle.... Puk is getting on a bit now,about 36?.I think he would average less than the other two,but being loyal I would welcome him back.I wouldn't be upset if it was Doyle or Freddie 1 hour ago, Haza said: Championship clubs charge too much as well - the cut backs in team strength in the Premiership should mean a cut in admission prices but I bet it doesn’t- it’s a £10 sport at best and just maybe if it was £10 it might encourage new fans and old fans to return just maybe I don't think the sport will ever be a £10 sport.If it was you would have people moaning about the quality of the riders.The Prem would have to be made up of Championship and NL riders to make it pay. Edited December 13, 2017 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 14 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: Puk is getting on a bit now,about 36?.I think he would average less than the other two,but being loyal I would welcome him back.I wouldn't be upset if it was Doyle or Freddie I don't think the sport will ever be a £10 sport.If it was you would have people moaning about the quality of the riders.The Prem would have to be made up of Championship and NL riders to make it pay. It already is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 Doyle - if there was choice and it was possible financially! And of course with Robert Lambert as the second heat leader. Oh Yes, count me in for sure then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWP Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) I’ve heard that riders are being offered 10% less than last season. Clubs need to balance books as 83% made a loss last year in PL and CL. I know we would all love to see Niels back. Even Doyle, which would be be a big coup for Lynn to have the current world champion. I don’t know anymore than you guys, but realistically I can’t see either happening. No TV, so top riders not attracting sponsors here, are costs to do UK disproportionate to potential earnings here, logistics of flying in/out. I just don’t see any up side as to why they would want/need to ride the UK. Top riders earn big bucks in Poland, so why do it. Yes more meetings, but other than that what’s the attraction for them. Crash in UK, injured and can’t ride Poland. Huge loss of income and probably having to pay back proportion of sign on fee. Personally I feel the days of the SGP riders and other top continental riders riding UK are over. I hope I’m wrong. To get them back the BSPA, SCB, Promoters etc. need to make big changes/improvements to fans, riders and sponsors and bring the sport into the 21st century. Unfortunately I don’t have any confidence that this will happen. Edited December 13, 2017 by DWP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 How do you get to a percentage of 98%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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