flagrag Posted October 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 I see that Leicester have confirmed Heeps as the guest for Bates with no mention of guest for Bjerre or Pawel P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 I get BTSport on Virgin Media. Both meetings are on their programme schedule for 19.30hours on Monday and Wednesday on BT Sport 1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iand Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 I get BTSport on Virgin Media. Both meetings are on their programme schedule for 19.30hours on Monday and Wednesday on BT Sport 1. Both legs are showing on my BT guide planner for next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerowl Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 I think the best the fans can do is boycott these meetings to show what a complete and utter mess of the sport the promoters are making. Just don't go. Don't watch it on TV. Ignore it and it will go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 I think the best the fans can do is boycott these meetings to show what a complete and utter mess of the sport the promoters are making. Just don't go. Don't watch it on TV. Ignore it and it will go away. If only that were true!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerowl Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Pray for rain then!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Over the years I've tried to explain speedways changing of the rules madness to the wife and most times she's eventually got her head round it albeit much shaking has gone on of said head. But this one, not a chance. Yes your right , the winter evenings fly by in our house. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Promotion and relegation makes sense, but only when there is no double up and down doesn't exist anymore and when there are enough teams in top league and when that's the only way of moving up and down leagues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) Promotion and relegation makes sense, but only when there is no double up and down doesn't exist anymore and when there are enough teams in top league and when that's the only way of moving up and down leagues Very true , every competitive sport needs promotion and relegation to help it thrive , but the rules we have in our sport makes it a shambles . Edited October 4, 2017 by Paulco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 I think the best the fans can do is boycott these meetings to show what a complete and utter mess of the sport the promoters are making. Just don't go. Don't watch it on TV. Ignore it and it will go away. Havent people been doing that for years now with speedway in general? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) What is the objectivity of promotion-relegation play offs in speedway. All OK if the top league team survives but a potential disaster if they do not. In other sports where a team is relegated it is usually followed by a drop in attendances the following season when they compete in the lower league. And what guarantees are there if a lower league side wins promotion that it will result in a SIGNIFICANT improvement in attendances to cover extra costs involved. More importantly, will promotion result in any improved attendances at all? And how will supporters of the relegated team react to what is potentially a lower grade of racing? As I see it, the promotion-relegation issue is yet another instance of speedway 'shooting itself in the foot.' Let's hoe for the sport's sake that I am proved wrong. Edited October 5, 2017 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Won't be Bewley for the first leg, he's riding for Glasgow against Newcastle that night. Wont be for 2nd leg either as he will be riding for Belle Vue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 What is the objectivity of promotion-relegation play offs in speedway. All OK if the top league team survives but a potential disaster if they do not. In other sports where a team is relegated it is usually followed by a drop in attendances the following season when they compete in the lower league. And what guarantees are there if a lower league side wins promotion that it will result in a SIGNIFICANT improvement in attendances to cover extra costs involved. More importantly, will promotion result in any improved attendances at all? And how will supporters of the relegated team react to what is potentially a lower grade of racing? As I see it, the promotion-relegation issue is yet another instance of speedway 'shooting itself in the foot.' Let's hoe for the sport's sake that I am proved wrong.[/quote How can it ever be taken seriously as a sport if doesn't act like other serious sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethelion Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Wont be for 2nd leg either as he will be riding for Belle Vue. Heeps for Bates, for both legs, presumably they're thinking Somerset won't pull back the 28 points they need against Wolves in the KOC. If they do, Heeps won't be available as he'll be riding in the final against Belle Vue on the night of the 2nd leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Heeps for Bates, for both legs, presumably they're thinking Somerset won't pull back the 28 points they need against Wolves in the KOC. If they do, Heeps won't be available as he'll be riding in the final against Belle Vue on the night of the 2nd leg.another little nuance... Presumably Cam can replace Bates for Leicester as his Premiership average is 5.25 whilst Bates is 5.52 However if priority was reversed then Sheffield as a championship club would not be able to use Cam for Bates 6.55 (6.8 home) with Cam on 6.93 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 anyone who believes this is promotion / relegation needs their head examined. The teams for whtever leagues take place next year will be decided over the winter. Sheffield will smash Leicester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flagrag Posted October 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 VTM not so sure about Sheffield smashing Leicester Nillson vs Josh G - Would say quite even Riss vs Kurtz- Riss especially around Leicester Guest TBC vs Bjerre- Depends on guest but say Lasse RR/Pawel vs Bates - Would say RR King vs Howarth- King but will be close Newman vs Graverson- Newman would say Heeps vs Wood- Heeps 100% The crucial thing for Leicester will be who they get as the 2nd guest to cover for Lasse who will be a big miss home and away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 anyone who believes this is promotion / relegation needs their head examined. The teams for whtever leagues take place next year will be decided over the winter. Sheffield will smash Leicester Can just see it now... the slowest matches in speedway history, neither team wants to win. Bruce Penhall 1982 Overseas Final all over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Can just see it now... the slowest matches in speedway history, neither team wants to win. Bruce Penhall 1982 Overseas Final all over again.In that case it has to be Garrity in for Bjerre 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 The promotion relegation game is just a con to get more money out of supporters at the end of the season. Let’s be honest any club could apply to run in the Premiership and would be welcomed with open arms, all you need is a track and a starting gate. VTM not so sure about Sheffield smashing Leicester Nillson vs Josh G - Would say quite even Riss vs Kurtz- Riss especially around Leicester Guest TBC vs Bjerre- Depends on guest but say Lasse RR/Pawel vs Bates - Would say RR King vs Howarth- King but will be close Newman vs Graverson- Newman would say Heeps vs Wood- Heeps 100% The crucial thing for Leicester will be who they get as the 2nd guest to cover for Lasse who will be a big miss home and away. Personally I would say the crucial thing would be which club Damien wants in the Premiership next year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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