g13webb Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 the people who matter in speedway The paying public , have not been crying out for fixed nights , they have been crying out for weekly meetings on their traditional racenight ,whichever of the 7 that happens to be , When I referred to the 'Sport' was crying out , it was in relation to all the people, be it The Fans, The Riders, and the clubs............. Bit like the Chicken and Egg scenario, The paying public wanted to watch the Top Riders, but the top riders wanted the fixed race nights. It was idiotic to believe those top riders would continue to ride in our leagues when the fixture schedule varied most days of the week. Fixed night racing would have helped in keeping those top riders racing here. keeping the Paying public happy. Now, when all those riders have long gone, the Paying Public can have their speedway on whichever day it happened to be , but they won't be watching them Top riders.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 Last time they had promotion relegation there was a get out clause which meant both clubs could elect where they rode the following year if they did not like the result !!!!!Same clause will be included this time too.Complete farce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 When I referred to the 'Sport' was crying out , it was in relation to all the people, be it The Fans, The Riders, and the clubs............. Bit like the Chicken and Egg scenario, The paying public wanted to watch the Top Riders, but the top riders wanted the fixed race nights. It was idiotic to believe those top riders would continue to ride in our leagues when the fixture schedule varied most days of the week. Fixed night racing would have helped in keeping those top riders racing here. keeping the Paying public happy. Now, when all those riders have long gone, the Paying Public can have their speedway on whichever day it happened to be , but they won't be watching them Top riders.... FIXED race nights for the PL is not solely about getting some of the so-called top riders back, although that could be a possibility. It is because in the eyes of many promoters doubling up is a necessity and that fixture clashes have to be avoided between the two senior domestic leagues in the UK. Was speaking to Belle Vue's Mark Lemon on Saturday and he says most of his time is spent trying to arrange fixtures and to get his seven riders together. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 THEY have also been crying out for their riders to be available for their team when they have a meeting. Quite correct, sir So, only those 100% committed to our calendar should be engaged Look back at a season filled with: Early season "challenges" eg Britannia Shield Full league programme of 18 team league Proper KO Cup competition Regional mini leagues eg Midland League Each track, one individual meeting eg Brandonapolis Regional championship rounds, plus final eg Midland Riders Championship Sufficient racing in a season for the riders, consistent race nights, ability of fans of the sport to attend other tracks* * I used to be able when younger and fitter to be able to attend Perry Barr, Blackbird Road and Brandon virtually every week throughout the season, adding in occasional trips to Monmore Green, Abbey Stadium and Owlerton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 FIXED race nights for the PL is not solely about getting some of the so-called top riders back, although that could be a possibility. It is because in the eyes of many promoters doubling up is a necessity and that fixture clashes have to be avoided between the two senior domestic leagues in the UK. Was speaking to Belle Vue's Mark Lemon on Saturday and he says most of his time is spent trying to arrange fixtures and to get his seven riders together. Speaking from personal experience trying to rearrange fixtures during the season which enables both teams to track full 1-7,s is practically impossible because of doubling up/down, foreign commitments, FIM meetings, grasstrack, and other reasons illness/family etc. It’s clear from speaking to other clubs and the comments from others in the star everyone is in the same boat, splitting the Premiership and Championship will help significantly but it won’t solve everything. In 39 matches Panthers have tracked Their full 1-7 - 13 times R/R. - 5 times 1-7 with Guests. - 9 times Guests & R/R. - 12 times 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 SHEFFIELD: Scott Nicholls, Todd Kurtz, Lasse Bjerre, Josh Bates, Kyle Howarth, Jan Graversen, Georgie Wood.LEICESTER: Kim Nilsson, Lewis Kerr, Pawel Przedpelski, Erik Riss, Danny King, Cameron Heeps, Kyle Newman. Pawel Przedpelski, is not riding so I assume it's RR for him. You only have to look at those reserves to see the disparity. How can an original 40 point team beat a 50 point team? If Sheffield now have, say, a 46 point team average they should be allowed to swap Wood for a Plus 4 pointer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) FIXED race nights for the PL is not solely about getting some of the so-called top riders back, although that could be a possibility. It is because in the eyes of many promoters doubling up is a necessity and that fixture clashes have to be avoided between the two senior domestic leagues in the UK. Was speaking to Belle Vue's Mark Lemon on Saturday and he says most of his time is spent trying to arrange fixtures and to get his seven riders together. How does one differentiate the two leagues when the same riders ride in both. Surely that is the recipe for disaster. Why not have one league, double the number of fixtures, to enable each club having fixtures every week, and eliminate D/D altogether. If the powers want the sport to survive in this country, surely in would be more feasible to run the sport for the benefit paying fans, then arrange the rules to double the riders earning potential. We all know as soon as they are good enough they will desert us for pastures new.... Edited October 9, 2017 by GRW123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 You only have to look at those reserves to see the disparity. How can an original 40 point team beat a 50 point team? If Sheffield now have, say, a 46 point team average they should be allowed to swap Wood for a Plus 4 pointer. When you look at the line-up, it seems Leicester aren't really interested, maybe Saturday nights in the Championship are more appealing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 How does one differentiate the two leagues when the same riders ride in both. Surely that is the recipe for disaster. Why not have one league, double the number of fixtures, to enable each club having fixtures every week, and eliminate D/D altogether. If the powers want the sport to survive in this country, surely in would be more feasible to run the sport for the benefit paying fans, then arrange the rules to double the riders earning potential. We all know as soon as they are good enough they will desert us for pastures new.... But if it’s the same riders in both leagues how can you make it all one big league, where do the extra riders come from? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbobee Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 When you look at the line-up, it seems Leicester aren't really interested, maybe Saturday nights in the Championship are more appealing? Why - what's wrong with the Leicester line up ? Nilsson, King, Riss and Newman all Lions whilst guests needed for Bjerre and Bates as per rules and R/R for Przedpelski was always on the cards Kerr and Heaps on the face of it reasonable guests for two missing riders .... ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Why - what's wrong with the Leicester line up ? Nilsson, King, Riss and Newman all Lions whilst guests needed for Bjerre and Bates as per rules and R/R for Przedpelski was always on the cards Kerr and Heaps on the face of it reasonable guests for two missing riders .... ?? Well they've just finished bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Last time they had promotion relegation there was a get out clause which meant both clubs could elect where they rode the following year if they did not like the result !!!!! This is the biggest farce in British speedway. We really dont need these meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flagrag Posted October 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Second leg now next Monday due to poor weather forecast on Wednesday as per Leicester website. It's a bit of a strange date for Leicester fans attending as Leicester city are playing at home to West Brom live on Sky Sports Edited October 9, 2017 by flagrag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 They've now changed the date of the second leg until next Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 But if it’s the same riders in both leagues how can you make it all one big league, where do the extra riders come from? Around 250 senior professional riders currently registered. Around 120 riders have ridden in PL & CL, enough for 17 full teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbobee Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Well they've just finished bottom. Maybe so but what other line up could they have put then ? Can only go with the team they have got ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Perhaps we should forget the meeting's all together and see what happens at the agm in novemberand see what wonderful ideas they come up with this year ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 But the disparity in ability between top and bottom won't make for good racing. And the further dilution in quality will imo drive more fans away 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Sheffield gonna win this fix on a last heat decider, just for the TV and for fruitcakes that think this is real 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Around 250 senior professional riders currently registered. Around 120 riders have ridden in PL & CL, enough for 17 full teams. And most of them have no interest in riding over here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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