foamfence Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 That's would only happen if Jim Lynch was managing both teams. They'd BOTH lose! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 and you see no problem in that?? or were you kidding? please tell me you were No, I don't see a problem. Nobody has posted on this thread of any problem. Just people doing the usual speedway thing of claiming there is a problem where there is no problem. Feel free to explain the problem you have seen. Seriously? Glasgow play Somerset. Richard Lawson turns up for the Glasgow leg riding for Somerset (or vice versa) and you think thats a credible sports situation? Does anyone else, other than SCB, think thats not crazy or is it me 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Seriously? Glasgow play Somerset. Richard Lawson turns up for the Glasgow leg riding for Somerset (or vice versa) and you think thats a credible sports situation? Does anyone else, other than SCB, think thats not crazy or is it me Woah, hang on, who mentioned credibility? The question was who would riders ride for. Straw man argument here. Someone asked who the riders would ride for if they double up. The rules make this clear. But speedway fans are too thick or want to see the World burn so act as if they are and ask inane questions to make a situation out to be something it's not. Next we'll have someone regaling us with the story of the time a first timer was stood next to them so they told them how guests work, how doubling up works, how the eligibility for heat 15 works, and about the TR and before the first heat that first timer had walked out. Yeah, speedway is fecked. We know it but speedway fans really love driving it home with their pet ideas and faux stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted August 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Woah, hang on, who mentioned credibility? The question was who would riders ride for. Straw man argument here. Someone asked who the riders would ride for if they double up. The rules make this clear. But speedway fans are too thick or want to see the World burn so act as if they are and ask inane questions to make a situation out to be something it's not. Next we'll have someone regaling us with the story of the time a first timer was stood next to them so they told them how guests work, how doubling up works, how the eligibility for heat 15 works, and about the TR and before the first heat that first timer had walked out. Yeah, speedway is fecked. We know it but speedway fans really love driving it home with their pet ideas and faux stupidity. As I asked the original question I take exception to being called thick and to be told it is an inane question. I know there are rules that cover where a rider races when there are clashing meetings but did not know if these would be what applied in the case of a promotion/relegation match. Having seen the childish way people treat each other here I will not bother asking any further questions as this forum is making me question my following a sport I have watched for sixty years. Note to admin/mods - Please either moderate the post I am replying to or remove my account as I am now in a very bad temper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Woah, hang on, who mentioned credibility? The question was who would riders ride for. Straw man argument here. Someone asked who the riders would ride for if they double up. The rules make this clear. But speedway fans are too thick or want to see the World burn so act as if they are and ask inane questions to make a situation out to be something it's not. Next we'll have someone regaling us with the story of the time a first timer was stood next to them so they told them how guests work, how doubling up works, how the eligibility for heat 15 works, and about the TR and before the first heat that first timer had walked out. Yeah, speedway is fecked. We know it but speedway fans really love driving it home with their pet ideas and faux stupidity. People can express their opinions SCB. But without credibility the Sport isn't worth a damn. The sooner the people who run Speedway realise that the better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 oh, right so you're just quoting the rules - well we know them - hardly a contribution to the debate which is about promotion and relegation and the validity thereof and in fact I would seriously doubt that the rule makers thought this far ahead and never considered what might happen at the playoff best idea is forget them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 and in fact I would seriously doubt that the rule makers thought this far ahead and never considered what might happen at the playoff best idea is forget them Thats probly more like it,,, make something up and when it gets more complex, just make something else up if it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Why not just ask Leicester if they want to drop back down , and Ipswich or Peterborough if they fancy moving back up , would save all hassle deciding who rides for who , and would save SCB informing us how stupid we all are . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 No matter which club a particular rider lines up for it seems to me that they're on a hiding to nothing , one set of fans is going to accuse him of not trying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) Why not just ask Leicester if they want to drop back down , and Ipswich or Peterborough if they fancy moving back up , would save all hassle deciding who rides for who , and would save SCB informing us how stupid we all are . or amalgamate with 18 teams or 20 if Birmingham and Eastbourne fancy it with strengths at CL level, 6 man teams if necessary 18 or 20 reasonably meaningful fixtures plus cup and a couple of others - 4tt, individual etc I think the public would go for that Edited August 23, 2017 by ch958 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 I might be wrong but did they not abandon it once season when Ist tried when Swindon were going to be the Team involved in relegation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 No matter which club a particular rider lines up for it seems to me that they're on a hiding to nothing , one set of fans is going to accuse him of not trying maybe any rider with a 'conflict of interest', should not be able to take part and, each team should have to use guests. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 I might be wrong but did they not abandon it once season when Ist tried when Swindon were going to be the Team involved in relegation! That was the early nineties I think when Arena Essex won the 2nd division and Swindon finished bottom of div 1 . Swindon got a stay of execution , but then finished bottom again the following season and did drop down . Ultimately it didn't do them too much harm as they were able to sign Jason Crump from Peterborough and reached the KO Cup final where they lost to Glasgow . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 maybe any rider with a 'conflict of interest', should not be able to take part and, each team should have to use guests. so in what possible sense would they be teams? credible teams anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 In the distant past when they have had so called promotion/relegation then there was an option to refuse to go up even if their team won the promotion/relegation battle. Is the result confirming where these teams will ride or is there still an opt out clause ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) I remember with fondness the last real attempt to have promotion and relegation. Back in 1991 I was quite gullible and actually thought it would be a huge success. It reignited some end of season matches that otherwise would have meant nothing at Belle Vue - I recall relegation-threatened Eastbourne turning up at Belle Vue and not just lying down but fighting for every point - Andy Grahame had a 6 ride maximum even. I recall Hans Nielsen-led Oxford, facing the drop, in another end of season thriller at Kirky Lane. In the end Swindon finished bottom and should have been relegated. They even sacked Andrew Silver for failing to arrive for their relegation four -pointer at Eastboure (I think it was). But they (Swindon) cried off, one of their gripes being that they'd have to close if they were forced to take relegation, so they were allowed a stay of execution. The idea filtered out after that. But, even better than the Play-Offs, I enjoyed that brief fling... Oh, and that Arena Essex were more than happy to take their place in the top flight after sweeping all before them in Division Two during 1991. Edited August 23, 2017 by moxey63 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 To be honest - I can't wait to see what will happen at the end of this Season. Will a Team go up? Will a Team go down? Will a Team stay where they are? Will a Team lose on purpose? Will both Teams want to win? Will both Teams want to lose? Who will ride for who? Who will Guest for who? Will Team 'A' be a Team or just a collection of riders? Will Team 'B' be a Team or just a collection of riders? You have to laugh - don't you? Plenty of questions here. I look forward to them being answered in the fullness of time. Interesting times ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) Is it best, for promotion-relegation to ever work, for speedway to work within the budget of what the poorest clubs can pay? Speedway 2017 in the UK is about the weakest I've ever seen, so perhaps that is the BSPA's plan. Oh, and while I can still remember 1991... Milton Keynes, the unfashionables, made a cheeky approach to sign Simon Wigg that summer, to help them gain promotion. I know it wouldn't have ever happened, but I found that brilliant. Edited August 23, 2017 by moxey63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 for a league to work it has to work for Scunthorpe, Worky, Redcar, etc - not just Poole, Wolves, BV etc 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 To be honest - I can't wait to see what will happen at the end of this Season. Will a Team go up? Will a Team go down? Will a Team stay where they are? Will a Team lose on purpose? Will both Teams want to win? Will both Teams want to lose? Who will ride for who? Who will Guest for who? Will Team 'A' be a Team or just a collection of riders? Will Team 'B' be a Team or just a collection of riders? You have to laugh - don't you? Plenty of questions here. I look forward to them being answered in the fullness of time. Interesting times ahead. the current state of the premiership i wouldn't be surprised to see teams actually want to be relegated .out of the mire created by too many foreigners pandering to Polish needs ,. definiitely wouldn't want to see a thriving championship club thrown in to the mire of Premiership and wind up closing because of joining the disaster 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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