waiheke1 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 The assumption there is that the rider has say 5 years at NL level at that stage. Louis was a 2nd tier HL in his 2nd season from memory. I'd also say the chances now of someone taking up the sport and making such rapid progress is very slim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 I believe in the next five years will will have some really good Brtish riders coming through and all at the very least will make Championship riders i very much hope so anyway.Jenkins,Bickley,Bowtell,Brennan,Atkins,JPB,Wood,Rowe,Thomas, as examples all have a great chance to progress.And with the likes of Bewley Zak ( Hume/Phillips both bloody unlucky improved no end) Mountain,,Bailey we have quite a nice crop there am i to Enthusiastic??? what are your opinions. There was a list just as long five years ago of riders who are now floating around the Championship or still in the NL even. Perry, Clegg, Morley, Branford, Morris, Greenwood, Kerr, Sarjeant, Nielsen, Jacobs, Knight, Bates etc. Unfortunately for me that isn't making it. Things are improving however and there are a few here and there that look like they could, with the right attitude and application, push on and be going into the GP qualification rounds in the long run if not further or shock horror actually get team places in Poland and Sweden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 The assumption there is that the rider has say 5 years at NL level at that stage. Louis was a 2nd tier HL in his 2nd season from memory. I'd also say the chances now of someone taking up the sport and making such rapid progress is very slim. Bewley won't have completed two seasons until mid way into next season and I wouldn't be surprised if he was a Championship heat leader by then. If not he won't be far away and he hasn't got the experience John Louis had in other motor cycle disciplines when he took up speedway. As you say not many achieve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted August 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Currently breaking though this year. The top 125cc Championship riders are Archie, Harry and Sam McGurk and Luke Harrison. Archie was on a max at Leicester when called off for no medical cover, and has been 2nd to Harry both at Scunny and Belle Vue, and missed out of a final ride by the spin of a coin at Redcar. He didn't do the earlier southern rounds due to distance away, so unlikely to get enough points to get on the podium. He really has developed this year, and team riders are starting to give him a lot of attention and helpful advice. Your club are a great example of giving kids a real chance Phillips,Coles,Hopwood,Bowtell(who has improved bigtime) all getting prelonged runs that has to be the way forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 If you haven't made it to PL second string by 20 then you're never going to make it. Realistically you need to be heatleader by then. John Louis did alright - started speedway after 20 - someone else will know exactly... I think John was 29 when he took up speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Bewley won't have completed two seasons until mid way into next season and I wouldn't be surprised if he was a Championship heat leader by then. If not he won't be far away and he hasn't got the experience John Louis had in other motor cycle disciplines when he took up speedway. As you say not many achieve it. Dan Bewley rode Motocross before he switched to speedway, same as John Louis (although it was 'Scrambling' back in the day!!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted August 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 My main hope is that Anders Rowe is in a Swindon Robins team in about five years time alot of hard work ahead for him.I hope he does it he has started brightly on his career path so he has every chance of achieving it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 My main hope is that Anders Rowe is in a Swindon Robins team in about five years time alot of hard work ahead for him.I hope he does it he has started brightly on his career path so he has every chance of achieving it. If he keeps improving at his present rate I think a reserve place with Swindon could be a possibility before 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted August 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 If he keeps improving at his present rate I think a reserve place with Swindon could be a possibility before 5 years. I hope you are right fingers crossed eh!!! to be in a Robins team before he is twenty would be some achievement.It reminds me of when Wellie ,Rosco, Martin Hewlett( bless him) got there chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 There was a list just as long five years ago of riders who are now floating around the Championship or still in the NL even. Perry, Clegg, Morley, Branford, Morris, Greenwood, Kerr, Sarjeant, Nielsen, Jacobs, Knight, Bates etc. Unfortunately for me that isn't making it. Things are improving however and there are a few here and there that look like they could, with the right attitude and application, push on and be going into the GP qualification rounds in the long run if not further or shock horror actually get team places in Poland and Sweden. Bates has had some league racing in Poland, as has Adam Ellis. Both were world under 21 finalists last year, Ellis seems to ride abroad as much as he does here. They might not be world beaters but they are progressing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Bates has had some league racing in Poland, as has Adam Ellis. Both were world under 21 finalists last year, Ellis seems to ride abroad as much as he does here. They might not be world beaters but they are progressing. Adam Ellis wasn't part of my list because he is one of the better youngsters. Bates is progressing perhaps but still isn't anywhere near the level of some of his Polish/Danish/Swedish contemporaries of the same age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iand Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 If you haven't made it to PL second string by 20 then you're never going to make it. Realistically you need to be heatleader by then. John Louis did alright - started speedway after 20 - someone else will know exactly... Craig Cook didn't start racing until he was 20, not done bad for himself. Remember the 1st time I see him at Rye, he took completely different lines to others. Rode around the top of the camber. My main hope is that Anders Rowe is in a Swindon Robins team in about five years time alot of hard work ahead for him.I hope he does it he has started brightly on his career path so he has every chance of achieving it. Watched Rowe at Plymouth a couple of weeks ago in a SDL match and he looked a really good prospect beating everyone before him quite easily. Last Friday at Plymouth in a league match he was totally outpaced, he was riding at No 2. In the 2nd half in another SDL match he looked good again. It just goes to show the different quality between the leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Dan Bewley rode Motocross before he switched to speedway, same as John Louis (although it was 'Scrambling' back in the day!!). Sorry, I should have made myself clear. My point was that John Louis had more experience of Motocross than Bewley when they switched to Speedway. I used to love to watch John, he certainly deserved his "Tiger" nickname. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted August 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Sorry, I should have made myself clear. My point was that John Louis had more experience of Motocross than Bewley when they switched to Speedway. I used to love to watch John, he certainly deserved his "Tiger" nickname.Louis was he similar to Doncaster as he started late think Jeremy was 25/27 ish ???? and a grasstrack star in Bewley Aces you have a real talent.Just shows you Parkinson Blackburn who has had a hard season beat Bewley from the back in the Colts v Brummies meeting people should not right him off a fine prospect i believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 If you haven't made it to PL second string by 20 then you're never going to make it. Realistically you need to be heatleader by then. John Louis did alright - started speedway after 20 - someone else will know exactly... 1)In the 1970s. 40 years ago! Hard anfrewt example do modern day speedway2) he started after he was 20 so obviously that would be the case. 3) Craig Cook would be a better example but again he started later. Your club are a great example of giving kids a real chance Phillips,Coles,Hopwood,Bowtell(who has improved bigtime) all getting prelonged runs that has to be the way forward.Mocks me for knowing nothing then refers to Ben Hopewood as a "kid", he's 25 FFS. Even Coles is 22. They're not kids and are last the stage of ever realistically making it. From time to time someone might come from nowhere later on but it's rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted August 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 (edited) 1)In the 1970s. 40 years ago! Hard anfrewt example do modern day speedway 2) he started after he was 20 so obviously that would be the case. 3) Craig Cook would be a better example but again he started later.Mocks me for knowing nothing then refers to Ben Hopewood as a "kid", he's 25 FFS. Even Coles is 22. They're not kids and are last the stage of ever realistically making it. From time to time someone might come from nowhere later on but it's rare. Not kids of course my point was could some of these make at the minimum very good Championship riders ??? Hopwood is a brit older but so what done ok.I dont expect any of these to be GP riders hopefully be Championship riders with the odd jem thrown in CHILL dont need to be aggressive😂😜 Edited August 20, 2017 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 (edited) 1)In the 1970s. 40 years ago! Hard anfrewt example do modern day speedway 2) he started after he was 20 so obviously that would be the case. 3) Craig Cook would be a better example but again he started later.Mocks me for knowing nothing then refers to Ben Hopewood as a "kid", he's 25 FFS. Even Coles is 22. They're not kids and are last the stage of ever realistically making it. From time to time someone might come from nowhere later on but it's rare. Spot on.. I saw Joe Screen make his debut for the Aces in 88... He was 16 years of age. .. That season Joe went on to quite regularly beating some of the very best riders in the World in what was (at the time) THE toughest league in the World.... Joe went on to finish 6th in the World Championship one year and won a World U21 Title... No disrespect to any of the current crop of 'young' lads but (maybe Lambert and Bewley apart) none of them could do in a much weaker League what Joe did all those years ago... Jason Doyle is the only rider I can think of recently who after a few years of riding 'suddenly came good'... Speedway is a Sport which appears to have no age barriers as to how good you can be but is simply down to the aptitude of being able to ride a Speedway bike faster than your opponents... That natural aptitude will show itself at any age but so will the natural level for each individual rider.. Regardless of what age you start racing professionally, if after three years of riding you are still not in the top league at I would say second string level or a second tier heat leader (at least), you are, in the main, not going to be anywhere near a World Level Speedway rider.. Good to see British riders given a chance but we need to be fair to them re our expectations of their careers... Edited August 20, 2017 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 My main hope is that Anders Rowe is in a Swindon Robins team in about five years time alot of hard work ahead for him.I hope he does it he has started brightly on his career path so he has every chance of achieving it. My main hope is that there's a Swindon team for him to be in.in 5 years 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 shame you won't get to see any of them. all because of a rule that doesn't actually exist in the Youth Championship My nearest National LeagueTrack to Sunderland is Belle Vue. Far too far for me to consider going these days. You won't ever see them, you don't go to speedway anymore!!! I watch it on the Television though - and yes I still get angry at the Double Points rides - but at least I can do that at home on my own, and do not make a fool of myself at my local Track. Apart from that - I was speaking metaphorically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted August 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 My main hope is that there's a Swindon team for him to be in.in 5 yearsHave you heard a rumour? why wouldn't there be.!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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