topsoil Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Nothing to do with either agreeing or disagreeing - not at all. You are missing the point. I did think of the 5 rides point so why not 6 myself that you made about Ivan i.e. before you made it I had (already) thought of that myself. However, the difference is that whereby Ivan had reeled off 5 straight wins and comprehensively beaten every other rider and was head and shoulders above the rest and had, e.g. a 4 point lead over the next best rider, an extra 6th ride whereby he had a puncture or an EF would make no difference if the points are cumulative i.e. his nearest challenger could only close the gap by 3 points. Whereas if the slate is wiped clean and all down to one additional/last race then all of that dominance is binned. That's the difference. Friends and workmates that follow football see it as a Mickey Mouse way of doing things as they see it as being like a commanding lead in football being wiped out after 80 minutes and then just playing the last 10 minutes as the only thing that counts and they see speedway as a Mickey Mouse sport that is very badly run and they laugh at it. A bit like when football has end of season promotion playoffs and points earned over 9 months are ignored and promotion is decided over a maximum three matches. Glad football doesn't have any mickey mouse ideas like that :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) A bit like when football has end of season promotion playoffs and points earned over 9 months are ignored and promotion is decided over a maximum three matches. Glad football doesn't have any mickey mouse ideas like that :-) Yes there is that, you did well there. Although those that made the observation were reckoning the top tier where there isn't any playoff, and in footie the title winners are decided by their league table position only, i.e. it is only the 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc positions that go to playoff. In any case it was more to do with the 80 minutes scenario whereby a built up lead, e.g. 3-0 or 4-0 is binned after 80 minutes, and of course that doesn't actually happen in footie at all. Edited November 3, 2017 by justere2cgoodspeedway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinsgirl Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Nothing to do with either agreeing or disagreeing - not at all. You are missing the point. I did think of the 5 rides point so why not 6 myself that you made about Ivan i.e. before you made it I had (already) thought of that myself. However, the difference is that whereby Ivan had reeled off 5 straight wins and comprehensively beaten every other rider and was head and shoulders above the rest and had, e.g. a 4 point lead over the next best rider, an extra 6th ride whereby he had a puncture or an EF would make no difference if the points are cumulative i.e. his nearest challenger could only close the gap by 3 points. Whereas if the slate is wiped clean and all down to one additional/last race then all of that dominance is binned. That's the difference. Friends and workmates that follow football see it as a Mickey Mouse way of doing things as they see it as being like a commanding lead in football being wiped out after 80 minutes and then just playing the last 10 minutes as the only thing that counts and they see speedway as a Mickey Mouse sport that is very badly run and they laugh at it. II'm not missing the point (see how I do that underline thing to emphasise ), a true Champ comes through at the end. Even with 5 heats, If a rider wins 4 comprehensively, If he/she doesn't win the last, they've got to rely on others dropping points. Reeling off 5 wins ...... same as reeling off 6 or 7 to a form rider, and you get to see another race! , Can see your point, I just don't think its relevant justere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) II'm not missing the point (see how I do that underline thing to emphasise ), a true Champ comes through at the end. Even with 5 heats, If a rider wins 4 comprehensively, If he/she doesn't win the last, they've got to rely on others dropping points. Reeling off 5 wins ...... same as reeling off 6 or 7 to a form rider, and you get to see another race! , Can see your point, I just don't think its relevant justere. Yes you are missing the point. (no underline ) Case 1 Best rider by miles 5 straight wins 15 points Next best rider 11 points Extra 6th race - puncture / EF so gifts 3 points to the fourth placed rider that has only 9 points so he gets a total of 12 points. So best rider crowned champion. Case 2 Best rider by miles 5 straight wins 15 points Next best rider 11 points Extra 6th race - puncture / EF so gifts win to the fourth placed rider that had only 9 points but he is granted title of 'champion'. So best rider robbed. If an extra heat for the sake of a last race spectacle maybe better if some of the built up lead still counted rather than all down the pan. Its an idea. I'm sure you see it now me old fruit. Edited November 3, 2017 by justere2cgoodspeedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) Using Ivan Mauger as a reference point - a guy who retired about 40 years ago, Christ some speedway fans are archaic dullards. Edited November 3, 2017 by Hacksaw Jim Duggan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Using Ivan Mauger as a reference point - a guy who retired about 40 years, Christ some speedway fans are archaic dullards. Do you really have to lower yourself to insulting name calling. Looks like you need look no further than the mirror and I don't mean the newspaper!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Do you really have to lower yourself to insulting name calling. Looks like you need look no further than the mirror and I don't mean the newspaper!! Aye sure, if it is low to call you a bit of a boring auld tosser than I suppose the shoe fits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) Aye sure, if it is low to call you a bit of a boring auld tosser than I suppose the shoe fits. You're too kind. Edited November 3, 2017 by justere2cgoodspeedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) Really. Tut tut. That's when you know the other guy has lost the argument. Oh not at all, you are talking guff, that was never an argument to be lost - I just also think you are a tosser. Edited November 3, 2017 by Hacksaw Jim Duggan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) Oh not at all, you are still talking a pile of guff - I just also think you are a tosser. Gee, thanks. Edited November 3, 2017 by justere2cgoodspeedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Not at all. Your responses just appear to be not up to handling debate. Ah again, mistaken - you just aren't that important or worth debate.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) you just aren't that important or worth debate.... Super Edited November 3, 2017 by justere2cgoodspeedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 How very low. Better not take up debating as that kind of contribution guarantees failure. I’ll be taking a pass on life advice from you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) I’ll be taking a pass on life advice from you Smashing Edited November 3, 2017 by justere2cgoodspeedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 What age are you 12 ? And what if I am? Only validates my point, you are spending your day arguing with what you think is a 12 year old on the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Mods! Where are you? This is NOT proper discussion, please intervene (with your delete button where applicable) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) And what if I am? Only validates my point Great. Edited November 3, 2017 by justere2cgoodspeedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Hardly. Better check with your mum if you should be on the internet. Told you....not interested in your life advice. Mods! Where are you? This is NOT proper discussion, please intervene (with your delete button where applicable) Agree!! A shambles, get them banned! both of them! both as bad as each other...justhere2cgoodspeedway is acting like well, like....a 12 year old? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Mods! Where are you? This is NOT proper discussion, please intervene (with your delete button where applicable) You know the song. If life seems jolly rotten There's something you've forgotten And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing When you're feeling in the dumps Don't be silly chumps Just purse your lips and whistle, that's the thing.... Always look on the bright side of life.... ....could be a proper speedway post soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinsgirl Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Yes you are missing the point. (no underline ) Case 1 Best rider by miles 5 straight wins 15 points Next best rider 11 points Extra 6th race - puncture / EF so gifts 3 points to the fourth placed rider that has only 9 points so he gets a total of 12 points. So best rider crowned champion. Case 2 Best rider by miles 5 straight wins 15 points Next best rider 11 points Extra 6th race - puncture / EF so gifts win to the fourth placed rider that had only 9 points but he is granted title of 'champion'. So best rider robbed. If an extra heat for the sake of a last race spectacle maybe better if some of the built up lead still counted rather than all down the pan. Its an idea. I'm sure you see it now me old fruit. quite rare for a start that there is that large a difference in points between 1st and 2nd in the points, Failures could occur with the "champ" in heat 1 just as easily, and still the "best" rider is "robbed" . Just say you like the traditional formula better, I do see the point in that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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