jenga Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) I GET IT ! does that mean i have more than one brain cell! glasgow have put the workington fixture back from friday so craig can attend the meeting . good guy and a cumbrian . Edited October 17, 2017 by jenga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) I GET IT !does that mean i have more than one brain cell! glasgow have put the workington fixture back from friday so craig can attend the meeting .good guy and a cumbrian .You might have to pass a few more tests before I can be sure. A two thousand word dissertation on why Belle Vue are the best team in the UK might help. A club statement on Craig's period of inactivity, or ban, as we northerners call it. http://www.bellevueaces.co/newsitem.aspx?id=2279 Edited October 17, 2017 by Aces51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) I guess you don't like the play-offs either as, in principle, they are the same. Your guess is correct, sir! Edited October 17, 2017 by Midland Red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 You might have to pass a few more tests before I can be sure. A two thousand word dissertation on why Belle Vue are the best team in the UK might help. A club statement on Craig's period of inactivity, or ban, as we northerners call it. http://www.bellevueaces.co/newsitem.aspx?id=2279 sorry i cant agree to rhat blackmail . so looks like its not going to happen . belle vue WERE the best team a loooonnngg time ago . but now , thanks to the powers that be are just a team by name , as are the rest . THANKYOU BSPA/SCB for all your hard work in destroying one of the worlds best sports in the uk . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) It always humours me how it is made out like it is some recent development and a new era thing that riders win a riders Championship by winning the Final - Nick Morris would have been about 2 years old the last time that didn't happen. We are nearing the stage where more riders will have won the meeting in a final than over the course of 5 races yet even now it is made out like a recent development - it is just about the tradition now. Edited October 20, 2017 by Hacksaw Jim Duggan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 At the moment, there is little or no justice that a rider can beat everyone else but not be the winner I agree a rider can ride all season finish top of the averages but not with the riders championship, where is the justice in that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) We are nearing the stage where more riders will have won the meeting in a final than over the course of 5 races yet even now it is made out like a recent development - it is just about the tradition now. That doesn't make it right. If it is wrong it is wrong - full stop. I agree with Midland Red and Third Man on this. Ludicrous whereby a runaway leader is robbed of the trophy by a stroke of luck in a one-off heat and the trophy awarded to somebody that was way back in the field in the progressive heat scores - hardly worthy of being crowned 'champion'. Why not carry forward the points won in the progressive heats so that they still contribute to the final result, e.g. the top four face each other in a "final" deciding heat whereby the final heat's points of 3 for the win, 2, 1, 0 are just added to the progressive score. If its already effectively been decided before the final heat by a runaway leader (sounds to me like a runaway leader should be rewarded accordingly and awarded the meeting as winner) but if you really want to influence the match by having a weighted points score for the final of say 5,4,3,0 added to the progressive heats scores then at least the progressive heats scores would not be lost. Edited October 29, 2017 by justere2cgoodspeedway 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks123 Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 That doesn't make it right. If it is wrong it is wrong - full stop. I agree with Midland Red and Third Man on this. Ludicrous whereby a runaway leader is robbed of the trophy by a stroke of luck in a one-off heat and the trophy awarded to somebody that was way back in the field in the progressive heat scores - hardly worthy of being crowned 'champion'. Why not carry forward the points won in the progressive heats so that they still contribute to the final result, e.g. the top four face each other in a "final" deciding heat whereby the final heat's points of 3 for the win, 2, 1, 0 are just added to the progressive score. If its already effectively been decided before the final heat by a runaway leader (sounds to me like a runaway leader should be rewarded accordingly and awarded the meeting as winner) but if you really want to influence the match by having a weighted points score for the final of say 5,4,3,0 added to the progressive heats scores then at least the progressive heats scores would not be lost. Whilst I agree with you, at least the top 2 scorers are in the final.Looking at the GP's Emil has had 1st pick in a semi-final 5 times this season (meaning he is one of the top 2 scorers) and not once did he make the final. Everyone knows the set-up before the meeting starts like Matej Zagar winning a GP after scoring 7 points less than Jason Doyle in the qualifiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) Everyone knows the set-up before the meeting starts That's not the point. The point is that the "rules" enable a rider that is sub-standard to be crowned the winner. It is not about selecting the best - but it should be. That's the point. It is ridiculous the rules enable that the leading rider that has comprehensively beaten every other rider can then be usurped by a rider way behind him in 6th position that has struggled by comparison and clearly not of the same calibre to then be awarded the title for the sake of having a spectacle one off last race. It is unprofessional and amateurish, it is 'Mickey Mouse' which fits with the rest of what the BSPA are doing these days. Edited October 30, 2017 by justere2cgoodspeedway 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 That doesn't make it right. If it is wrong it is wrong Yeah.....it isn't - it's a speedway meeting mate, there are actual things and issues in the world - having a final in a speedway meeting isn't one.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Yeah.....it isn't - it's a speedway meeting mate, there are actual things and issues in the world - having a final in a speedway meeting isn't one.... Well in that case no point in having a speedway forum at all is there - if every time you compare it to "issues in the world". I only raised within the context of speedway, on a speedway forum so get a grip. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Well in that case no point in having a speedway forum at all is there - if every time you compare it to "issues in the world". I only raised within the context of speedway, on a speedway forum so get a grip. You are getting uppity and upset about a thing the actual competitors in the meeting won’t care about – given the format has been in place since they were about 2 years old, it's quite well....it's quite tragic actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 You are getting uppity and upset about a thing the actual competitors in the meeting won’t care about – given the format has been in place since they were about 2 years old, it's quite well....it's quite tragic actually. Who said? Not me that's fer sure. What's "tragic"?? Where?? Seems you're the "uppity and upset" one? I'm just looking at a speedway forum mate, a spade's a spade an all that. If Ivan Mauger had reeled off 5 straight wins, dominated every other rider and way ahead of the pack in the points tally, it is ludicrous to then have a one-off race between him and the "also rans" to somehow decide it. You might as well toss a coin. Ludicrous. Here. Have a win gum and take it easy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 You might as well toss a coin. A speedway race seems logical in all honesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 A speedway race seems logical in all honesty. .....not when you've had a whole day/night of heats already and such as "Mauger" (or other similarly "streets-ahead-of-the-competition" out and out champion) has comprehensively beaten every other rider and is way ahead in the points tally..... then, no, to scrap all that has gone before and have just one race to somehow decide it is ludicrous. Its already been decided - by the previous full programme of round robin (no pun intended) heats. Over to you.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 already been decided - by the previous full programme of round robin (no pun intended) heats. Emm it hasn’t - that’s why they run a final, it’s the format of the meeting it has been for about 30 years….if the winner had already been decided they, well,.....they wouldn't then run a final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 it’s the format of the meeting And the format is wrong. So as you ducked the point the last time I say again.... If Ivan Mauger had reeled off 5 straight wins, dominated every other rider and way ahead of the pack in the points tally, it is ludicrous to then have a one-off race between him and the "also rans" to somehow decide it. You might as well toss a coin. Ludicrous. The reason why you duck the issue is you can't defend the indefensible. I know it, you know it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) And the format is wrong. So as you ducked the point the last time I say again.... If Ivan Mauger had reeled off 5 straight wins, dominated every other rider and way ahead of the pack in the points tally, it is ludicrous to then have a one-off race between him and the "also rans" to somehow decide it. You might as well toss a coin. Ludicrous. The reason why you duck the issue is you can't defend the indefensible. I know it, you know it. They should just fire out a game of soggy biscuit after a race each eh? I mean that seems far more logical then actually racing a speedway race to decide a speedway meeting…that oh so indefensible thing It’s great we have moved on from dated, archaic mind-sets of 30 years ago though, why don’t we also bring back gollywogs and racist folk music as well? I mean f*ck evolution and development eh? It’s indefensible - them good old glorious olden days Top trolling from the sport!! Must be the best part of 200 odd meetings decided this way and each one will have pissed you off a bit...awesome stuff. Edited October 30, 2017 by Hacksaw Jim Duggan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 They should just fire out a game of soggy biscuit after a race each eh? It’s great we have moved on from dated, archaic mind-sets of 30 years ago though, why don’t we also bring back gollywogs and racist folk music as well? What on earth are you on about??!! Tell you what. Lets not bother with any races. Just have a one off race at the end eh. Utter nonsense. If you want to select the best rider and the most worthy 'champion' then the rider that dominates the others over 5 heats each is the way to do it. If instead they want to be 'Mickey Mouse' about it for the sake of having a spectacle last heat then arbitrarily decide the winner by awarding it to one of the also rans. Ludicrous. Over to you.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) What on earth are you on about??!! Tell you what. Lets not bother with any races. Just have a one off race at the end eh. Utter nonsense. If you want to select the best rider and the most worthy 'champion' then the rider that dominates the others over 5 heats each is the way to do it. If instead they want to be 'Mickey Mouse' about it for the sake of having a spectacle last heat then arbitrarily decide the winner by awarding it to one of the also rans. Ludicrous. Over to you.... Why waste my time...you have been making this point for kicking on 30 years and no one actually cares.... Edited October 30, 2017 by Hacksaw Jim Duggan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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