Gresham Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Yes, that’s correct….it wasn’t the struggle you thought it was, you should give yourself more credit. So you would propose for example...someone like Doyle, having to be guested if needed, by a rider from that small pool of riders not already doubling up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) So you would propose for example...someone like Doyle, having to be guested if needed, by a rider from that small pool of riders not already doubling up? To my knowledge Jason Doyle isn’t a double up rider…..might have missed that though…. Edited August 17, 2017 by Hacksaw Jim Duggan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) To my knowledge Jason Doyle isn’t a double up rider…..might have missed that though…. Only a matter of time at the current rate! Wouldn't it be nice for a rider to say no I'm not doubling up as I can't show the commitment that is needed to my club... But on the other hand promoters are very quick to drop riders not in form, so it works both ways, why should riders show commitment. I think it just shows what a total mess the game is in Edited August 17, 2017 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 To my knowledge Jason Doyle isn’t a double up rider…..might have missed that though…. No...I think you missed the point completely What I'm asking...is that your idea seems to insinuate, that you would replace as a guest, a rider of Doyles calibre, with another rider from a small pool of riders in the Championship that aren't DU's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) No...I think you missed the point completely What I'm asking...is that your idea seems to insinuate, that you would replace as a guest, a rider of Doyles calibre, with another rider from a small pool of riders in the Championship that aren't DU's. Emmm no....its a thread about doubling up riders where I was asked about the doubling up rule - why would I be talking about guests for Jason Doyle..... Edited August 17, 2017 by Hacksaw Jim Duggan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianbuck Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 As we are being repeatedly told that there are numerous foreign riders who say that they would be willing to ride in this country "if there were fewer fixtures" might it be possible to compile a list of these who could then be used as an when required instead of guests? Do I think this is possible? No I don't for these would-be part-timers want to come here and ride as and when THEY please not when British clubs want to utilise them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Emmm no....its a thread about doubling up riders where I was asked about the doubling up rule - why would I be talking about guests for Jason Doyle..... See your post 139 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 See your post 139 Again....a post in reply to a question about riders who double up where i answered talking about riders who double up - read that slow if it helps. Just to reiterate the only person talking about guests for Jason Doyle is you - an entirley different situation to the thread.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) Again....a post in reply to a question about riders who double up where i answered talking about riders who double up - read that slow if it helps. Just to reiterate the only person talking about guests for Jason Doyle is you - an entirley different situation to the thread.... Kinnel... Read what you quoted... quote... 'The minor changes would be in relation to where GUESTS and replacements could be pulled from e.g sides chasing Play Off Places in the Premiership having to use replacements from the Championship if need be rather than riders from other teams in their league competing for the same place - a tightening of who could be used in such instances would help IMO.' I've got more chance of deciphering hieroglyphics, than trying to work out your English grammar. Edited August 17, 2017 by Gresham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) Yes guests used in relation to doubling up....you know the subject of the thread - the thing being spoken about on the thread - the thing i was talking about in the post you quoted You cant actually be this stupid can you? Actually dont answer that - in fact dont reply at all - i cant lower myself to your idiocy any longer it hurts my brain engaging with you. Edited August 17, 2017 by Hacksaw Jim Duggan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) Yes guests used in relation to doubling up....you know the subject of the thread - the thing being spoken about on the thread - the thing i was talking about in the post you quoted You cant actually be this stupid can you? Actually dont answer that - in fact dont reply at all - i cant lower myself to your idiocy any longer it hurts my brain engaging with you. No...I just think it hurts your brain full stop. I asked you a question...as in a conversation. That's how threads work. Read the question...then you answer. Nurse...someone needs their meds...quick I agree though...too much like hard work talking with you. All the best...have a good evening. PS...you're not a Promotor are you...they speak in riddles too... Edited August 17, 2017 by Gresham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 No...I just think it hurts your brain full stop. I asked you a question...as in a conversation. That's how threads work. Read the question...then you answer. Nurse...someone needs their meds...quick I agree though...too much like hard work talking with you. All the best...have a good evening. PS...you're not a Promotor are you...they speak in riddles too... "hacksaw"is starting to remind me of another previous poster. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 We are at the point where we have got to stop finding reasons why we can't get rid of doubling up and work at solutions to get rid of it and for anybody who doesn't think doubling up is a problem ask you partner/wife is it's alright to spend a couple of days with another woman who lives up the road , see how that goes 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 We are at the point where we have got to stop finding reasons why we can't get rid of doubling up and work at solutions to get rid of it and for anybody who doesn't think doubling up is a problem ask you partner/wife is it's alright to spend a couple of days with another woman who lives up the road , see how that goes Sounds more like rider replacement 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Connor Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 If the top rider from every 2nd tier team was replaced by the top dozen riders in the NL this would still be far from nl standard as a hyperthetical When your are getting top tier heat leaders riding in the 2nd tier this is a massive problem. When the conversion rate was 50% this was never a problem because the maximum allowable was a 6 point elite league rider. If those leagues had strengthened and weakened as 1 there wouldn't be any mess. Cook Harris Morris lambert masters worrall Lawson king grazionek holder should be dissuaded from riding 2leagues. where does it end, Chris holder, kk, Hans, It's messed up the order of things really. 2nd tier fans won't agree or 3rd but the 2 top leagues need to be further apart not closer together and the few double ups there would be would need to prioritize the senior league. That's the marketable league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 We are at the point where we have got to stop finding reasons why we can't get rid of doubling up and work at solutions to get rid of it and for anybody who doesn't think doubling up is a problem ask you partner/wife is it's alright to spend a couple of days with another woman who lives up the road , see how that goes I'm still laughing - thanks for that The Dean Machine. :rofl: A terrific analogy. :approve: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 If the top rider from every 2nd tier team was replaced by the top dozen riders in the NL this would still be far from nl standard as a hyperthetical When your are getting top tier heat leaders riding in the 2nd tier this is a massive problem. When the conversion rate was 50% this was never a problem because the maximum allowable was a 6 point elite league rider. If those leagues had strengthened and weakened as 1 there wouldn't be any mess. Cook Harris Morris lambert masters worrall Lawson king grazionek holder should be dissuaded from riding 2leagues. where does it end, Chris holder, kk, Hans, It's messed up the order of things really. 2nd tier fans won't agree or 3rd but the 2 top leagues need to be further apart not closer together and the few double ups there would be would need to prioritize the senior league. That's the marketable league. So investing all efforts into one marketable league with 8 teams and doing so at the expense of a league with 10 teams, 10 sets of fans, 10 clubs accounts, finances and budgets – that doesn’t make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 Today from Rosco... SWINDON boss Alun Rossiter has joined the growing band of key figures to call for set race nights for the Premiership.Rossiter has revealed how riders doubling-up with Championship clubs is making it impossible to rearrange fixtures after rain-offs.And he says there is only one way to avoid the problem – by protecting two nights in the week for Premiership racing with the Championship and National League free to run on any of the other five.He said: “The situation has now become impossible. Clubs cannot agree to new dates because their riders are on duty in the Championship and they would have three or four riders missing.“We are really struggling to fill a gap next Thursday, August 24, after we lost the Somerset meeting through rain.“It’s no good for our business and no good for the fans who almost expect to turn up and see guests and rider replacement.“Thankfully on Monday against King’s Lynn there is no clash with other clubs, but to try and get a new fixture for next Thursday without riders missing is proving almost impossible.“Set race night must be brought in as a matter of urgency to avoid clashes. If Thursday is a Premiership night then no Championship clashes would occur.“Then there’s the debate about doubling up anyway and how fans get confused about who is riding for who. I can see their point.“With, say, two set race nights for the Premiership it would mean we would have all our riders available apart from injury or illness.“It’s a matter which needs to be top of the agenda at the next management committee meeting with a view to approving it at the AGM.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner47 Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 (edited) Agree with Rosco but you won't get 2nd div clubs to change their night. So could all 1st Division clubs ride Monday or Wednesday? I very much doubt Belle Vue would want to switch, nor would Leicester, let's face it, they've stuck with Saturdays even though most of their meetings are a joke, and they know that before the season starts. Sorry, but we've got one more year of this crap, then the Sky money ends and we can have one realistic league of 12/13 clubs, and the rest in a much weaker competition. Just hope we can keep the fans interested for another year. Edited August 18, 2017 by spanner47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 Today from Rosco... SWINDON boss Alun Rossiter has joined the growing band of key figures to call for set race nights for the Premiership. Rossiter has revealed how riders doubling-up with Championship clubs is making it impossible to rearrange fixtures after rain-offs. And he says there is only one way to avoid the problem – by protecting two nights in the week for Premiership racing with the Championship and National League free to run on any of the other five. He said: “The situation has now become impossible. Clubs cannot agree to new dates because their riders are on duty in the Championship and they would have three or four riders missing. “We are really struggling to fill a gap next Thursday, August 24, after we lost the Somerset meeting through rain. “It’s no good for our business and no good for the fans who almost expect to turn up and see guests and rider replacement. “Thankfully on Monday against King’s Lynn there is no clash with other clubs, but to try and get a new fixture for next Thursday without riders missing is proving almost impossible. “Set race night must be brought in as a matter of urgency to avoid clashes. If Thursday is a Premiership night then no Championship clashes would occur. “Then there’s the debate about doubling up anyway and how fans get confused about who is riding for who. I can see their point. “With, say, two set race nights for the Premiership it would mean we would have all our riders available apart from injury or illness. “It’s a matter which needs to be top of the agenda at the next management committee meeting with a view to approving it at the AGM.” Whatever happens about race nights, there is still far too much doubling up anyway and restricting race nights might well allow that to continue. Six man teams and less double uppers is needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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