Arthur54 Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Disgraceful that Holder gets a pick and that Lebedevs isn't even a reserve. Why is it disgraceful,first time he's had to rely on one, not like a certain Brit I know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Why is it disgraceful,first time he's had to rely on one, not like a certain Brit I knowDont think it is the 1st time? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Why is it disgraceful,first time he's had to rely on one, not like a certain Brit I know Second. He got one the year following his bad injury, which was fair enough. I would have been annoyed if he'd got a pick instead of Vaculik, but can't really get too mad about his selection. Having said that, I hate the thought of Monster's sponsorship playing a part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Just to add my two pence worth. This season was the best line-up we have had for many a year- so good riders were always going to finish outside the top 8. As for giving a wildcard to "new blood" let`s not forget we have Prem Pawlicki, Cook and Artem Laguta coming in next season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Feel sorry for Neil's think with holder it's a case of not what you know but WHO you know he s definitely a lucky bloke to be picked imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Feel sorry for Neil's think with holder it's a case of not what you know but WHO you know he s definitely a lucky bloke to be picked imo Pedersen is lucky .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 If wild cards were picked purely on merit Lebedevs would have been in. He outscored A. Laguta, Milik and Prem Pawlicki in the SEC. In the 3 GP rounds Milik competed in he outscored Holder every time. If the GP is meant to feature the world's best riders surely both Lebedevs and Milik have a legitimate claim. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Holder? - It is November 1st and not April 1st isn't? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MunichMassive Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) Well I didn't fancy Holder either, but when I recall some picks for a certain Brit then I am fine with that. And it's just the 2nd time he's been given a Wildcard. Lebedevs doenst want to get a pick for the next 2 years not as a wildcard nor as a reserve. It is not always a question if someone wants to be in the GP, well surely every riders is dreaming of competing in that series. It is also a question of being able to compete in the GP, both financially and physically. Woffinden said after his first season he wasn't ready for it. So did Vaculik. Same is for Milik, he is still young, maybe they both think they still need time to be ready for it. Edited November 1, 2017 by MunichMassive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Here's a thought... Scrap wild cards completely, ban GP riders from simultaneously entering the GP Challenge (other than series reserves), scrap the one-off wildcard at each event so we have 16 full-time GP riders. At the end of a season, or before the following season begins, the riders finishing the GP's in places 9-16 (excluding reserves who can try to qualify via the Challenge)meet the top 8 from the Challenge (none of which would be full-time GP riders) over the traditional 20 heat formula. The top 8 then become GP riders for the coming season alongside the 8 already qualified. Or is that too simple?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MunichMassive Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Well someone will have to stage this meeting. Not sure if it will be very interesting after the last gp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Agree staging would be a problem as under current GP schedule the meeting would need to be held Nov-March, although an indoor venue may be available. Not sure why it would be less interesting than the current Challenge though. Are you allowed to use my photo without my permission? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 @CHR well that is something that regularly keeps being suggested. I don't think it would work because of it having to be staged after the season. Some / many of the riders wouldn't have done a meeting in 1-2 months which means that they would be very rusty. Those who qualify also needs to have enough time to find sponsors as well as sorting out their team and equipment prior to the GP-season which sort excludes anything later than late October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 @CHR well that is something that regularly keeps being suggested. I don't think it would work because of it having to be staged after the season. Some / many of the riders wouldn't have done a meeting in 1-2 months which means that they would be very rusty. Those who qualify also needs to have enough time to find sponsors as well as sorting out their team and equipment prior to the GP-season which sort excludes anything later than late October. Oh well, just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teijahn Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Outrageous decision by WC selectors. So much for the concept of this being a competition for the worlds best riders, clearly factors other than riders form have prevailed here. Milik, in particular with a 3GP ave of 10 and Lebedevs have showed they are highly competitive against the worlds best both miss out while riders who proved this year that they aren't get the nod. Such a shame that this brilliant sport is so often undermined by a 'cowboy' mentality at administrative/management levels. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaky11 Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Here's a thought... Scrap wild cards completely, ban GP riders from simultaneously entering the GP Challenge (other than series reserves), scrap the one-off wildcard at each event so we have 16 full-time GP riders. At the end of a season, or before the following season begins, the riders finishing the GP's in places 9-16 (excluding reserves who can try to qualify via the Challenge)meet the top 8 from the Challenge (none of which would be full-time GP riders) over the traditional 20 heat formula. The top 8 then become GP riders for the coming season alongside the 8 already qualified. Or is that too simple?. I think keeping 15 riders is right having a wildcard in each round who is local is great for local support. What I would do is similar to you, where there are no wildcards but have like a SGP2 series, which is raced in the same format as the SGP over x amount of rounds, this series has 16 of the best riders who arent in the GPs each year the top 7 in the SGP2 replace the bottom 7 in the SGP and go from there. Would be great for younger talent like Lebedevs, Milik, Drabik etc as would give them experience of the SGP and would solve the controversy of wildcards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) Here's a thought... Scrap wild cards completely, ban GP riders from simultaneously entering the GP Challenge (other than series reserves), scrap the one-off wildcard at each event so we have 16 full-time GP riders. At the end of a season, or before the following season begins, the riders finishing the GP's in places 9-16 (excluding reserves who can try to qualify via the Challenge)meet the top 8 from the Challenge (none of which would be full-time GP riders) over the traditional 20 heat formula. The top 8 then become GP riders for the coming season alongside the 8 already qualified. Or is that too simple?. People often complain that there is no ambition or strategy in British speedway. The GP has both of these. Over the years BSI/IMG have taken great risks to push the GPs forward and I think wildcards are a suitable compromise in order to allow the organisers an element of commercial influence over the line-ups. For example, imagine a British GP with no British riders. We are lucky that there are currently two full time riders in the 2018 line-up, but in the past the organisers have had to rely on wildcards in order to get any British riders into the series/meeting. Edited November 2, 2017 by MattK 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GiveusaB Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 In defence of Holder...although I don't agree with his wildcard inclusion? This year was the first time that he's finished outside the top 8 (apart from his injury season of 2013) ? So, apart from Monster Joe picking the wildcards based on their own riders, may be his record carried some weight? I feel for NKI, as I'd much rather watch him than Holder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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