mixxxser44 Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Wild Card - Hancock, Kildemand, Lindbeck, Pedersen (Iversen). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 surely any rider who completes the series and does not finish in the top eight should not be considered for the following season anyway ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 surely any rider who completes the series and does not finish in the top eight should not be considered for the following season anyway ? What does the current ruling say about wild cards? Whether or not it says anything at all, it has now become custom and practice to consider for the 4 wild card places any that finish out of the top 8, whether it be for reason of injuries or "hard luck", lack of form or whatever. What I would not like to see it that more places are given to fresh faces. This year there are 3 fresh faces coming from the GP Challenge, to me that is enough fresh faces for one gp year. Reason being its tough in the GPs, and not everyone getting into can perform at the highest level consistently over a gp season. So keep it as it is....... and just consider one of the main benefits - as it is, it provides lots of discussion on the BSF, without the current wild card it would leave the forum fairly quiet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 surely any rider who completes the series and does not finish in the top eight should not be considered for the following season anyway ?why? That just means you are watering down the product?? So in your view no Hancock, Holder, Pedersen, Zagar, Lindback, Vaculik And have Milik, MJJ,Thorsell, Smolinski. No thanks the best 15 are the best 15 even if they came 9th 10th and 11th this season 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 why? That just means you are watering down the product?? So in your view no Hancock, Holder, Pedersen, Zagar, Lindback, Vaculik And have Milik, MJJ,Thorsell, Smolinski. No thanks the best 15 are the best 15 even if they came 9th 10th and 11th this season Tbf he did say "completes the series" which I assume means he would consider places for Hancock nicki and Puk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 surely any rider who completes the series and does not finish in the top eight should not be considered for the following season anyway ? Ridiculous. If you have the best 15 riders in the world have to finish 9th to 15th no matter who they are. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrow Boy 2 Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 They usually wild card 9 & 10 don't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarkens Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 2005: Nicholls 9th, Lindback 10th, both received wildcards for 2006 2006: Lindback 9th, Nicholls 10th, both received wildcards for 2007 2007: Harris 9th, Jonsson 10th, both received wildcards for 2008 2008: Nicholls 9th, Lindgren 10th, both received wildcards for 2009 2009: Lindgren 9th, Andersen 10th, both received wildcards for 2010 2010: Jonsson 9th, Pedersen 10th, both received wildcards for 2011 2011: Lindgren 9th, Pedersen 10th, both received wildcards for 2012 2012: Andersen 9th, Vaculik 10th, only Vaculik received a wildcard for 2013 2013: Gollob 9th, Kasprzak 10th, Lindgren 11th, Holder 12th, Gollob retired from GP, Kasprzak qualified through Challenge, Lindgren and Holder received wildcards for 2014 2014: Batchelor 9th, Lindgren 10th, only Batchelor received a wildcard for 2015 2015: Kildemand 9th, Jonsson 10th, both received wildcards for 2016 2016: Janowski 9th, Zagar 10th, both received wildcards for 2017 so yeah there's a pattern there apart from 2012 and 2014 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 2005: Nicholls 9th, Lindback 10th, both received wildcards for 2006 2006: Lindback 9th, Nicholls 10th, both received wildcards for 2007 2007: Harris 9th, Jonsson 10th, both received wildcards for 2008 2008: Nicholls 9th, Lindgren 10th, both received wildcards for 2009 2009: Lindgren 9th, Andersen 10th, both received wildcards for 2010 2010: Jonsson 9th, Pedersen 10th, both received wildcards for 2011 2011: Lindgren 9th, Pedersen 10th, both received wildcards for 2012 2012: Andersen 9th, Vaculik 10th, only Vaculik received a wildcard for 2013 2013: Gollob 9th, Kasprzak 10th, Lindgren 11th, Holder 12th, Gollob retired from GP, Kasprzak qualified through Challenge, Lindgren and Holder received wildcards for 2014 2014: Batchelor 9th, Lindgren 10th, only Batchelor received a wildcard for 2015 2015: Kildemand 9th, Jonsson 10th, both received wildcards for 2016 2016: Janowski 9th, Zagar 10th, both received wildcards for 2017 so yeah there's a pattern there apart from 2012 and 2014 im sure the idea of the system is to have as close to the best 15 riders in the world.This season pretty much everybody was saying that we had that. Out of the 15 this season only 8 can go forward to 2018. So 7 of the worlds best will not be qualified 3 newbies have come through the challenge though I know Laguta has been there before. Out of the 7 who at the start of 2017 were considered the best in the world only 4 could come back. 9th and 10th this season surely must be amongst the best in the world. You could have situations where riders who have won a gp maybe 2 gp's might not be top 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiles Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Looking at the list Freddie is only 21 points clear of Vaculik in 9th,so say this happens and Freddie drops to 9th, 4 wildcards could be Hancock Holder Iversen and Lindgren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 im sure the idea of the system is to have as close to the best 15 riders in the world. This season pretty much everybody was saying that we had that. Out of the 15 this season only 8 can go forward to 2018. So 7 of the worlds best will not be qualified 3 newbies have come through the challenge though I know Laguta has been there before. Out of the 7 who at the start of 2017 were considered the best in the world only 4 could come back. 9th and 10th this season surely must be amongst the best in the world. You could have situations where riders who have won a gp maybe 2 gp's might not be top 8. The one point I would note is that just because we thought this year we had the top 15 riders in the world in the GPS, it does not mean that in fact the top 15 riders in the world have been the 15 riders in the gp field.The likes of Laguta lebedevs Milik have been better than say Holder. That's not to say Hokder shouldn't get a place, but that is based on his performances in previous years as well - on 2017 form he wouldn't deserve one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) The one point I would note is that just because we thought this year we had the top 15 riders in the world in the GPS, it does not mean that in fact the top 15 riders in the world have been the 15 riders in the gp field. The likes of Laguta lebedevs Milik have been better than say Holder. That's not to say Hokder shouldn't get a place, but that is based on his performances in previous years as well - on 2017 form he wouldn't deserve one. Have Lebedevs and Milik been better than Holder ? certainly not in the Extraleague https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/pge-ekstraliga/statystyki Lebedevs had that purple patch mid season- but then struggled for quite a few weeks. Edited October 3, 2017 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 It's interesting isn't it? Based on some of the arguments on here, there are riders who will finish in the top 8 who don't deserve to go into 2018. The ideal solution would be for the bottom 7 and the top 9 from the Challenge to race off for the 7 spaces. Trouble is, when would you do it? Boxing Day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 It's interesting isn't it? Based on some of the arguments on here, there are riders who will finish in the top 8 who don't deserve to go into 2018. The ideal solution would be for the bottom 7 and the top 9 from the Challenge to race off for the 7 spaces. Trouble is, when would you do it? Boxing Day? Could be early season 2018, early April. Two problems I see with that - tough meeting and riders are not match fit, and, riders need winter months to get sponsors (money) and time to get a regime to take them through 12 GP's. So on one hand, it sounds a good idea, in practice its not so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Have Lebedevs and Milik been better than Holder ? certainly not in the Extraleague https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/pge-ekstraliga/statystyki Lebedevs had that purple patch mid season- but then struggled for quite a few weeks. Yes they have http://www.svemo.se/sv/Grenar/Speedway/Elitserien2017/Rankinglista/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 We could just let more rides in. If you come last twice in a GP you're out...... Hang on. We tried that daft idea didn't we? Prequalify each round? Then we could have all our heat leaders missing the whole week of a GP. The truth is. It's a bit like democracy. What we have ain't perfect but it's about as good as we're going to make it. Look at the line up this year. It has been the best ever (my opinion). I said it at the start of the year. Whoever wins it this year will deserve it (and I'm not one of his fans, damn it), 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teijahn Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 My tips Assuming that Freddie won't require a pick, if he does he'll replace my #4 below Noting that Holder, Iverson, Kildeman, and Lindback have all averaged in 2017 less than it usually takes to qualify for the Semis - so too Hancock, but he's likely to get cut more slack than the others. Milik has from 3 GP's averaged 10.33 with a Finals appearance. Vaculik's GP win might give him an edge if its tight for last spot. 1. Hancock 2. A Dane - MJJ?, (or toss a coin - NKI/LM/PK/NP) 3. Milik 4. 2017 SGP #9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 Hancock NKI NP FL (if he needs it-he may hang on to 8th) Milik, Lebedevs Fricke will be the first 3 reserves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 I don't think there is any way Vaculik will score 18 points in Australia, so Lindgren's spot is assured. Either way I would say both (Lindgren & Vaculik) deserve a Wildcard. Hancock deserves a Wildcard. A Dane will get a Wildcard. I'd chose Iversen if fully fit, if not then Jepsen-Jensen. Sorry Pedersen fans, he just wasn't looking competitive this year. And Madsen has never done anything to suggest he would be competitive at GP level. Then it is to me, a straight choice between Milik & Lebedevs. And I would give it to whichever one wins the SEC, unless Jonsson or Laguta overhaul both in which case I would give it choose Milik for his performances in the GP's this year. Both Holder & Lindback have has dire series. The only form Lindback has shown all year was at the SWC, when he was admittedly superb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy The Rebel Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 Wildcards for me should be Hancock Holder Iversen Milik Vaculik hasnt had a great season neither has Holder but past performances give Holder the edge imo,milik surely has to be nailed on probably the best rider outside the series atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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