dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 This is the bit that people seem to be missing out. the regulations don't say anyone from a team. What stinks to me as that nothing has been done about it. Maybe when it was said it benefits all parties, maybe that included the bspa, maybe they got a little sweetner to. Its certainly going to cost my club and any others that I visited money, cos I won't be handing any more over, apart from one last one on Saturday, cos that's already been arranged. exactly this. Ipswich and others will miss out as the likes of Baldy are simply p!$$ed off with one shambles after another and situayions like this. I wont be attending next Thursday (have now booked a few days away instead) as I decided I would not attend any meeting Holder rides in if no action was taken. Redcar will miss out as Baldy and I had originally intended to travel up together but with his current apathy neither of us will be there now. Im sure Newcastle would have seen and Scunny will see some reductions in view of the weaker opposition. At least Ged and Jack are happy 😠 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 How many times, it doesn't matter. The rules don't allow a rider to miss a meeting, even with permission. Steve Worrall did the other night for the birth of his child. I think there's huge difference between a rider just not turning up and one who is given permission by his club to be absent. In the first, it is completely down to him, absolutely no-one else. In the second, the club must bear the overwhelming responsibility for him not being there because they have agreed to it. It is almost akin to the difference between an employee going AWOL and one being granted leave. To me, Rathbone takes most of the can. Holder might deserve a ban and/or fine, but nothing to the extent that his brother does. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Steve Worrall did the other night for the birth of his child. I think there's huge difference between a rider just not turning up and one who is given permission by his club to be absent. In the first, it is completely down to him, absolutely no-one else. In the second, the club must bear the overwhelming responsibility for him not being there because they have agreed to it. It is almost akin to the difference between an employee going AWOL and one being granted leave. To me, Rathbone takes most of the can. Holder might deserve a ban and/or fine, but nothing to the extent that his brother does. I'd agree.What i find appaling from a club promoter is he basically threw in the towel before it was necessary.When he said they still had a possible chance to reach the play-offs but was unlikely,he crossed a line.Nobody with in a cllub should give up until it is impossible.Even then it is letting the faithful fans down,to say we have no chance,we are letting our best rider pop off to Poland when he is needed...... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Feel sorry for the fans.I don't suppose his team mates are best pleased either.Leaving the team to struggle. Holder will be quids in. And if Rathbone's wallet has expanded because of this,it's disgraceful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Steve Worrall did the other night for the birth of his child. I think there's huge difference between a rider just not turning up and one who is given permission by his club to be absent. In the first, it is completely down to him, absolutely no-one else. In the second, the club must bear the overwhelming responsibility for him not being there because they have agreed to it. It is almost akin to the difference between an employee going AWOL and one being granted leave. To me, Rathbone takes most of the can. Holder might deserve a ban and/or fine, but nothing to the extent that his brother does. You can't even come close to compare the two. Stave was granted compassionate leave to attend the birth of his daughter, as any employer in any industry would do. In fact I believe it's part of employment law nowadays. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 You can't even come close to compare the two. Stave was granted compassionate leave to attend the birth of his daughter, as any employer in any industry would do. In fact I believe it's part of employment law nowadays. Yes you can compare the two. Just because Jack hasn't chose to be a father doesn't mean he can't have a day off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Holder did not have a day off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 You can't even come close to compare the two. Stave was granted compassionate leave to attend the birth of his daughter, as any employer in any industry would do. In fact I believe it's part of employment law nowadays. Yes you can compare the two. Just because Jack hasn't chose to be a father doesn't mean he can't have a day off. In actual fact, Leander is right. You can't compare the two. My comment was a response to the remark that you can't miss a meeting even with a club's permission. Quite clearly, you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Has anybody any proof that money changed hands ? As mentioned in a previous post it seems that Holder had every intention of riding in Torun regardless. Personally I think Peterborough should have said if you ride in Torun you are finished here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Steve Worrall did the other night for the birth of his child. He would have had a doctors note. I queried this in the past and was told he riders get signed off. Tbh, I think any reasonable person fully understands this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comet49 Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Yes you can compare the two. Just because Jack hasn't chose to be a father doesn't mean he can't have a day off. what a stupid remark when you know he was working in Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Another one bites. When will you lot ever learn😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Another one bites. When will you lot ever learn I know. They are as much as a tw*t as he is for biting. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) Has anybody any proof that money changed hands ? As mentioned in a previous post it seems that Holder had every intention of riding in Torun regardless. Personally I think Peterborough should have said if you ride in Torun you are finished here. Should be gone,if that's the case. If Rathbone had a bung,then should be fukced off asap.poison to the sport Edited August 14, 2017 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 The point I was making is that as far as I know suggestions of a bung are nothing more than supposition and unless anybody knows different such claims are dangerous and irresponsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 No one to blame but yours and Poole's very own village idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 How many times, it doesn't matter. The rules don't allow a rider to miss a meeting, even with permission. If my boss gave me permission to take a day off work against company rules we'd BOTH be in trouble 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 (edited) No one to blame but yours and Poole's very own village idiot And then people say why bite. It's because some will believe and actually use as their evidence what the looney posts. It's often tw*ttish to ignore. The point I was making is that as far as I know suggestions of a bung are nothing more than supposition and unless anybody knows different such claims are dangerous and irresponsible. That's true so why feed the fire. Rathbone didnt want to explain why and Chapman said that they had evidence of the reason but that's it. The only place that money was mentioned is on here wasn't it? Not the most reliable source for facts. Edited August 15, 2017 by Crump99 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 You can't even come close to compare the two. Stave was granted compassionate leave to attend the birth of his daughter, as any employer in any industry would do. In fact I believe it's part of employment law nowadays. It is, but it doesn't apply to the self-employed. What they have to adhere to is the contract they sign at the start of the season and it will allow for compassionate 'time-off'. I agree, no comparison with Holder and Rathbone has clearly broken the rules by letting him ride in PL rather than at league meetings in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 (edited) Steve Worrall did the other night for the birth of his child. I think there's huge difference between a rider just not turning up and one who is given permission by his club to be absent. In the first, it is completely down to him, absolutely no-one else. In the second, the club must bear the overwhelming responsibility for him not being there because they have agreed to it. It is almost akin to the difference between an employee going AWOL and one being granted leave. To me, Rathbone takes most of the can. Holder might deserve a ban and/or fine, but nothing to the extent that his brother does. it is now law that employers allow parrents both mam and dad paid leave when there child is born now it maybe law to give paid leave but as speedweay riders are classed as self employed that will mean the club must allow the time off but it wont have to pay them like most of us would get paid when our kids are born suerly rathbornes cash insentive is breaking some sort of sporting code never mind the bspa rules regarding missing riders we all know that speedway in this country is strugling to survive and clubs need every penny they can get but allowing 1 off your top riders to miss a run of home meetings for a cash payment in most sports would be classed as match tampering/fixing i agree with the rest of your post the club are more guilty than holder but your out of order listing stevie worrall as a example Edited August 15, 2017 by scarra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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