SCB Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 Chris Holder got a 9 month ban for the following... 3.2.7 Any proceedings or acts prejudicial to the interests of, any part or body of the ACU, SCB, BSPA or of the sport of motorcycling generally. 3.2.10 Failure to attend, withdrawing (or threatening to withdraw) from a Meeting duly listed on the Official Fixture List: In a Team Event this applies equally to Promoters and Team Managers as well as the riders. It also includes, but not limited to those occasions where a Team fails to meet the 2-minute time allowance on two occasions for the same heat, without just cause. Someone explain how Jack Holder is not committing the same offence but missing his second Peterborough meeting to ride in Poland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 Because Jack doesn't ride for the chairmans team? And didn't mess him directly around.....unlike his Brother 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 I think he wasn't required to attend so didn't withdraw or threaten to withdraw as Peterborough gave him permission to ride for Torun. I rather suspect that's why the MC issued the statement Shawn. Not saying I agree with it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 The fours shouldn`t be any different to a league match- however they might be waiting until today before throwing the book at him !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 Why is SCB so bitter? Didn't see him moaning when Shamek pulled a sickie in 2010 so he could stay at reserve for the play-offs. Maybe more energy should be focused towards trying to return speedway at Coventry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 I can't remember if he moaned when Anders Thomsen had a 24 hour illness last year, when he missed a meeting at Sheffield because of an Under 21 meeting 2 days later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 I can't remember if he moaned when Anders Thomsen had a 24 hour illness last year, when he missed a meeting at Sheffield because of an Under 21 meeting 2 days later. Paweł Przedpełski was injured for Saturday night's fixture, however he was fit to ride less than 24 hours later in Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 Chris Holder got a 9 month ban for the following... Someone explain how Jack Holder is not committing the same offence but missing his second Peterborough meeting to ride in Poland? Agreed. Crazy. Boro are selling the league short. It's taking the pee out of fans home and away. Ban him and don't allow him back next year. Send the same message to all league riders, especially Aussies: you commit to the UK or you stand on your own elsewhere. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 Chris Holder got a 9 month ban for the following... Someone explain how Jack Holder is not committing the same offence but missing his second Peterborough meeting to ride in Poland? I think you have a very fair point here, but lets not forget Jack was given permission to miss meetings by his promoter, Chris wasn't. As such, Jack can simply point to that. If we are looking at blame in Jack's case, that must principally lie with the Peterborough promotion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonga Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 Why is SCB so bitter? Didn't see him moaning when Shamek pulled a sickie in 2010 so he could stay at reserve for the play-offs. Maybe more energy should be focused towards trying to return speedway at Coventry. The whole league is bitter against a joke of a promotion,,,, which includes you. Fans expect a competitive team to ride against and be entertained by riders giving their all. I really feel sorry for the genuine Peterborough fans who spend their hard earnt money week after week to be fed bull crap from a management team which includes you. As for the Coventry dig,,,, just about your inept level of intelligence 👊🏼👊🏼💦💦 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 I think you have a very fair point here, but lets not forget Jack was given permission to miss meetings by his promoter, Chris wasn't. As such, Jack can simply point to that. If we are looking at blame in Jack's case, that must principally lie with the Peterborough promotion. Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyvalleywoolerman Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 Maybe more energy should be focused towards trying to return speedway at Coventry. Actually, that was a very fair statement by this poster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Dan Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Going forward cases such as these may have serious implications for those riders needing visas. It is the UK authorities granting these visas to allow riders to live here. I can imagine the UKVI taking a dim view on proceedings. I'm not sure how many riders from outside the UK gain access to European leagues without having a UK visa. Hancock maybe? Could see that number increasing if the UKVI start to refuse visas based on lack of appearances for UK teams. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Should just change his name to Jacek Holdski, problem solved, he could then ride over here as a Pole, who we bend over backwards to get riding in the UK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 I think you have a very fair point here, but lets not forget Jack was given permission to miss meetings by his promoter, Chris wasn't. As such, Jack can simply point to that. If we are looking at blame in Jack's case, that must principally lie with the Peterborough promotion. It's mitigation maybe but the rule doesn't say, "can swan off with your clubs permission". So there should still be a punishment and a precedent has been set with his brother. Going forward cases such as these may have serious implications for those riders needing visas. It is the UK authorities granting these visas to allow riders to live here. I can imagine the UKVI taking a dim view on proceedings. I'm not sure how many riders from outside the UK gain access to European leagues without having a UK visa. Hancock maybe? Could see that number increasing if the UKVI start to refuse visas based on lack of appearances for UK teams. British visas make naff all difference to Polish/Swedish visa and vice-versa. I have no idea where people have got this idea that riders need to ride in the UK for visas on the continent. We don't rule the World or Europe, despite what some people may claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 It's common sense for Peterborough to allow Holder to ride in Poland instead of the Fours. It's only four riders per team. It's a Sunday. It's Polish league day and the lads career is at stake. How did Peterborough's scandalously weakened team do in the end, anyway? And can people PLEASE stop claiming a UK visa lets you ride in Poland. Where does this nonsense come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Dan Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 It's mitigation maybe but the rule doesn't say, "can swan off with your clubs permission". So there should still be a punishment and a precedent has been set with his brother. British visas make naff all difference to Polish/Swedish visa and vice-versa. I have no idea where people have got this idea that riders need to ride in the UK for visas on the continent. We don't rule the World or Europe, despite what some people may claim. But they do prefer to live in the UK which was my point, which they would not be able to do without a UK visa. If they are living in the UK and using UK employment as a secondary or tertiary form of income the UKVI may decide to rule against them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 It's common sense for Peterborough to allow Holder to ride in Poland instead of the Fours. It's only four riders per team. It's a Sunday. It's Polish league day and the lads career is at stake. How did Peterborough's scandalously weakened team do in the end, anyway? And can people PLEASE stop claiming a UK visa lets you ride in Poland. Where does this nonsense come from? I don`t think it was common sense at all !!!! There is one big difference between riding the Premiership and Championship- THE PREMIERSHIP DO NOT RIDE ON SUNDAY`S.As soon as Holder signed for Peterborough he should have known that he was committing himself to riding over here on Sunday`s. If he wanted to ride Poland then he could in 2018- he just wouldn`t be signing for a Championship club. What Peterborough did stinks !!! and no wonder the BSPA are up in arms about it. Rzeszow have had some problems with the availability of Morris and Grajczonak this season. next season I`m pretty sure that Div 1(Nice Polska) and div 2 will ensure that riders do Poland before any other league. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 I don`t think it was common sense at all !!!! There is one big difference between riding the Premiership and Championship- THE PREMIERSHIP DO NOT RIDE ON SUNDAY`S.As soon as Holder signed for Peterborough he should have known that he was committing himself to riding over here on Sunday`s. If he wanted to ride Poland then he could in 2018- he just wouldn`t be signing for a Championship club. What Peterborough did stinks !!! and no wonder the BSPA are up in arms about it. Rzeszow have had some problems with the availability of Morris and Grajczonak this season. next season I`m pretty sure that Div 1(Nice Polska) and div 2 will ensure that riders do Poland before any other league. But surely teams should be able to pick whichever four riders they want to for such an event s long as they are using their own riders. If it were a league match then I would see your point, but Peterborough were still able to put out a winning side for this event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 But surely teams should be able to pick whichever four riders they want to for such an event s long as they are using their own riders. If it were a league match then I would see your point, but Peterborough were still able to put out a winning side for this event. And yesterday ?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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