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What is the general opinion of which is the more serious Holders refusing to ride or Cook assaulting a Licensed official? If you think it's Cooks (which I think is by far) be very interesting to see what punishment Cook gets, will it be more than a 9 month ban + £3000 fine

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What is the general opinion of which is the more serious Holders refusing to ride or Cook assaulting a Licensed official? If you think it's Cooks (which I think is by far) be very interesting to see what punishment Cook gets, will it be more than a 9 month ban + £3000 fine

Are you really this short of something to do?

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What is the general opinion of which is the more serious Holders refusing to ride or Cook assaulting a Licensed official? If you think it's Cooks (which I think is by far) be very interesting to see what punishment Cook gets, will it be more than a 9 month ban + £3000 fine

Holders actions affected a speedway club and all its fans,

Cooks affected one bloke.

 

you need to think of the victims ;)

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Cook hasn't been charged with anything as of yet. If he is charged and found guilty it would no doubt be seson ending. Perhaps talks are going on behind the scenes to hush it up.

 

Probably end up reported as a slight scuffle, a little misunderstanding and both parties shook hands. Cook to be warned about future conduct blar de blar de blar.

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Cook hasn't been charged with anything as of yet. If he is charged and found guilty it would no doubt be seson ending. Perhaps talks are going on behind the scenes to hush it up.

 

Probably end up reported as a slight scuffle, a little misunderstanding and both parties shook hands. Cook to be warned about future conduct blar de blar de blar.

I do hope you are right

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Holders actions affected a speedway club and all its fans,

Cooks affected one bloke.

 

you need to think of the victims ;)

 

I feel that Cook's actions affected more than one bloke! It is only a step away from challenging a referee and striking him / her. Cook should be punished but not on such a serious level. A 14 day ban and £1,000 ( or the match fee ) sounds about right. After all a promoter was thrown out of the sport for something similar ( but more prolonged ).

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Surely he can only be charged if the person he hit reports him, if he and the person have shook hands made up etc. that's the end of it, But if he slagged the whole of British speedway off on twitter for the whole world to see that's different, I feel Holders punishment is more about his Childish reaction on Social media.

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Surely he can only be charged if the person he hit reports him, if he and the person have shook hands made up etc. that's the end of it, But if he slagged the whole of British speedway off on twitter for the whole world to see that's different, I feel Holders punishment is more about his Childish reaction on Social media.

I'm not sure I agree with that. How 'public' was the incident? How many spectators witnessed it? Such actions bring speedway into disrepute and assaulting an official usually brings a significant penalty across a range of different sports. For instance, a footballer who strikes an opponent receives a 'violent conduct ban' of several matches but one who strikes an official is looking at very serious downtime. What Cook did should not be 'swept under the carpet' notwithstanding any apology given.

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Holder's actions, as reported, relate to his contractual obligations, so are covered by civil law, not criminal law. Cook's actions, as reported, would be covered by criminal law if anyone decided to bring a charge. The two matters are therefore different and Holder's actions cannot be described as a crime. Cook's actions cannot be described as a crime unless the police charge him. If the speedway authorities decide to take action it would have to be on the basis that a code of conduct has been breached.

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What is the general opinion of which is the more serious Holders refusing to ride or Cook assaulting a Licensed official? If you think it's Cooks (which I think is by far) be very interesting to see what punishment Cook gets, will it be more than a 9 month ban + £3000 fine

 

I would like to know what crime has been committed in either case.

 

have either of them been arrested?

 

has the verdict of what happened on Sunday been announced?

 

if not them you are jumping the gun on Cooke being guilty of anything

 

As for Holder he wasn't the first rider not to want to ride when others did, however in 50 years of watching speedway he is the first one I can remember getting a nine month ban for it

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I would like to know what crime has been committed in either case.

 

have either of them been arrested?

 

has the verdict of what happened on Sunday been announced?

 

if not them you are jumping the gun on Cooke being guilty of anything

 

As for Holder he wasn't the first rider not to want to ride when others did, however in 50 years of watching speedway he is the first one I can remember getting a nine month ban for it

none have been arrested for their misdemeanors, but this is the 'BSF courts', where everyone can have their say ;)

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Years ago, riders use to smash telephones, jump fences to get at the referee, I once saw two Newport riders have a fight on the track right in front of me. All sorts went on this was when speedway was more entertainment than a sport first mind you. Officials were fair game I'd say

 

Most of it was staged no doubt to liven a dull match but it does seem a bit lacking in these areas these days.

 

I've drifted off topic a bit here but I think it's relevant

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The way I understand it Holder was reported to the SCB by a licensed official i.e the meeting referee. He was suspended in the interim by his promoter/BSPA (not sure which), At his SCB hearing various witness statements/evidence was given. Unless Cook is reported by a licensed official there will be no action and we are just left with conflicting views from fans.

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The way I understand it Holder was reported to the SCB by a licensed official i.e the meeting referee. He was suspended in the interim by his promoter/BSPA (not sure which), At his SCB hearing various witness statements/evidence was given. Unless Cook is reported by a licensed official there will be no action and we are just left with conflicting views from fans.

According to this weeks Star, the meeting ref - Ronnie Allen - and other officials have sent reports about the Cook incident to the SCB.

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According to this weeks Star, the meeting ref - Ronnie Allen - and other officials have sent reports about the Cook incident to the SCB.

Riding through the pits three times, being warned each time, then violence to the licensed official. Can't be brushed under the carpet.

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