Navigator1900 Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 When I noticed the latest picture on Fredrik Lindgren's Facebookpage I thought at first I would be a late april-joke. It seem despite all his success on the Swiss Gerhard-GTR-engine some dark forces from behind persuaded him to change back to the Italian-GM-machinery. Loyality does not seem a priority for him. We'll see how many points he will mark in the 2nd half of the GP-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtommo Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 he has changed back about 2 weeks ago at wolves he has had a few problems over the last couple of weeks and is still testing the GTR to get it right , so I think your comment of loyalty not being a priority not 100% correct . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navigator1900 Posted August 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 we'll see which engine he will ride tomorrow and for the remaining season ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtommo Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 He will ride gm tomorrow still testing gtr to find problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neb Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 speedway is results based why be loyal and suffer when fred has other options open to him,he is only doing what's best for him and his team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navigator1900 Posted August 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 I agree "why suffering" but from the outside I can't understand it. Especially on the big tracks in Poland he seemed to be as fast as earlier this season. His results in England over the last few weeks were less impressive though. Fact is, since he changed 2016 from GM to GTR he looked a different rider than before. For that reason I feel sorry for the swiss GTR-team, especially Marcel Gerhard who has put so much effort into his project and will feel betrayed .... Why not try everything to find if there are problems with GTR instead of a short-term switch to GM. Some other GP-riders have shown more loyalty to their engine-tuners than Freddie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neb Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 your right you are on the outside you like most of us don't know the problems so will never understand it. tracks change as the weather gets warmer maybe the gtr is not working on the slick polish tracks same goes for the uk but since the change Fred has upped his game results don't lie. I wouldn't feel sorry for marcel he is probably 20+ grand better off since meeting Freddie and the effort fred has put in putting the GTR on the map cant be questioned. I am sure behind closed doors Fred's team and marcel are working flat out to get to the bottom of the problem.do you know how many GP riders have changed engine tuners this season? if you did I am sure you might just change your opinion and your understanding of the word loyalty. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtommo Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 well said neb what navigator probably does not realise is fred had to buy all his engines he was not given them , if I believe right he brought 6 engines at £ 3000 plus each 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 your right you are on the outside you like most of us don't know the problems so will never understand it. tracks change as the weather gets warmer maybe the gtr is not working on the slick polish tracks same goes for the uk but since the change Fred has upped his game results don't lie. I wouldn't feel sorry for marcel he is probably 20+ grand better off since meeting Freddie and the effort fred has put in putting the GTR on the map cant be questioned. I am sure behind closed doors Fred's team and marcel are working flat out to get to the bottom of the problem.do you know how many GP riders have changed engine tuners this season? if you did I am sure you might just change your opinion and your understanding of the word loyalty.  £20+ grand in Marcels pocket is probably a fraction of what he has put into the project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 At least Freddie is still working with Gerhard to iron out problems ..... he's not given up on them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neb Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017  £20+ grand in Marcels pocket is probably a fraction of what he has put into the project. and how many engines has marcel sold on the strength of Freddie's performances or a better question how many engines would marcel of sold if Fred had not been the guinea pig. Fred's investment into the GTR has probably earned marcel a fair few quid towards the "project" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 DEFINITELY a GM fort Freddie tonight says my spy in Malilla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navigator1900 Posted August 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Thank you Philip for your spy-feedback. One thing is crytalclear, Marcel Gerhard & Suter Engineering have invested much more time & money into the GTR-project than Fredrik Lindgren. Maybe as swiss supporter I am a little biased but these are facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 and how many engines has marcel sold on the strength of Freddie's performances or a better question how many engines would marcel of sold if Fred had not been the guinea pig. Fred's investment into the GTR has probably earned marcel a fair few quid towards the "project" Â Agreed. Thats business, make an investment to make a return, with the aim of a profit.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Thank you Philip for your spy-feedback. One thing is crytalclear, Marcel Gerhard & Suter Engineering have invested much more time & money into the GTR-project than Fredrik Lindgren. Maybe as swiss supporter I am a little biased but these are facts. SO too have the BSPA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Did he blow a bike up at Cardiff? Can he not get any of his other GTRs to work as well as that one? Did he have a "more equal" engine and now it's gone he's less equal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) For me this engine had a flaw from the start and it was created by gerhard himself , to make the engine double overhead cam instead of single , I think it was 1980 when the last dohc engine was successful (DT500)and even then everyone else was on single cam engines , Dohc are notoriously hard to set up on speedway so why did gerhard go down this route , I believe if the GTR were a single cam it may of been the saviour it was designed to be Edited August 13, 2017 by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbogge Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) hi Dean why do you find it hard to set up Dohc cams. Do you not use a timing disc to set all cam types and igniton timings. If the engines are made corectly with provision for adjusting opening and closing timings and overlap of inlet & exhaust valve in degrees plus ignition advance then it should be straight forward Edited August 13, 2017 by fredbogge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 hi Dean why do you find it hard to set up Dohc cams. Do you not use a timing disc to set all cam types and igniton timings. If the engines are made corectly with provision for adjusting opening and closing timings and overlap of inlet & exhaust valve in degrees plus ignition advance then it should be straight forward by hard to set up I mean on the track not as in timing , on the old dt500 jawa they needed loads more fuel to get them to go , not sure why they are so hard to get going well but history tells anybody when it comes to speedway double over cams don't work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 by hard to set up I mean on the track not as in timing , on the old dt500 jawa they needed loads more fuel to get them to go , not sure why they are so hard to get going well but history tells anybody when it comes to speedway double over cams don't work I think you will find the DT500 went off the scene with the introduction of 34 mm. carbs. They were very successful prior to that on well prepared tracks & with a pilot that had throttle control. As we both know today's Speedway is not about the fastest engine, it's about getting the appropriate amount of grip while still being in control of ones motor cycle! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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