False dawn Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 DID he say dangerous?One man's dangerous is another man's track record (almost) apparently.You ride a bike, a very powerful (tuned) bike, set up for a badger's arse on a grippy track and it'll frighten the life out of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 Riders warned for anticipating the start, isn't that what there supposed to do. If there not moving and don't touch the tapes surely that's a perfect startDoyle got to anticipate the start but Janowski got excluded .Not consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 One man's dangerous is another man's track record (almost) apparently. You ride a bike, a very powerful (tuned) bike, set up for a badger's arse on a grippy track and it'll frighten the life out of you. that is very true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 Now you all know I'm a nerd. But my interest here goes beyond simple statistics. Does anyone have the race times for last night's GP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 Â Â The referee. Awful. Too many restarts when not required, got the Zmarzlik exclusion woefully wrong & thought was very harsh on Lindgren who was riding in a straight line when Dudek wasn't & they touched. Â Â Agree about some of the restarts but the Zmazlik decision was 100% correct. A no brainer. Wholly inaccurate on Havelock in 1992. He had few, if any equals internationally in 1992. He won his British Semi & the British Final, reached a run off for the Commonwealth title despite riding with a badly injured hand. He then won the Overseas title & was second in his WC semi, before winning the title at a 5 ride average of 13.33 per meeting. Â He ripped through his card in the world pairs semi, passing several riders easily including Nielsen & Knudsen & scored paid 17 in the final, excluding the run off. Â He top scored for England in their WTC qualifier with 14, his only poor meeting was the final in which he scored 7. Â Over those 10 meetings his 5 ride average was 13.07 & if you exclude the WTC final it was 13.72. Â I would respectfully suggest he had a decent claim to be champion that year. That's fair enough Steve, if that's how you see it. Few other riders complained. Can Holder not rider grip? Â Totally agree with this, mentioned it earlier in the thread. People forget Havvy's success on the International stage that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 Riders warned for anticipating the start, isn't that what there supposed to do. If there not moving and don't touch the tapes surely that's a perfect start  disagree, the start is about reaction not anticipation. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 Mmmmmm maybe, got me thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 Â disagree, the start is about reaction not anticipation. THAT'S correct. Riders are not allowed to move before the tapes do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 THAT'S correct. Riders are not allowed to move before the tapes do. I found it interesting that watching on Saturday - the gate 4 riders pulled back for a false start obviously were looking intently at the release mechanism - and i believe saw the release and moved - however because they were so close and saw it first they were ahead of the others in the ref`s mind. Have a look at the video to see if i`m correct . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 Doyle got to anticipate the start but Janowski got excluded .Not consistent. Doyle gets rollers all the time , and when Woffy beat him to the first turn the ref called it back and Woffy got warned ,,, rubbishe ref WASN'T at KL or Teterow but can we compare the condition of the two tracks? The track at Teterow didn't appear dangerous although it was far from perfect and not conducive to decent racing until the final stages. Â As I said, wasn't at KL but have had some interesting confidential conversations with people ho believe that all the facts of that fateful night at KL have yet to emerge. They might if Holder goes ahead with an appeal. Why would he bother with an appeal ? he doesn't want to ride here anyway , or is he now rubbishting his pants because he's crap and the Poles might not want him .. never mind Holder you can stay home and earn a living from speedway there .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 I found it interesting that watching on Saturday - the gate 4 riders pulled back for a false start obviously were looking intently at the release mechanism - and i believe saw the release and moved - however because they were so close and saw it first they were ahead of the others in the ref`s mind. Have a look at the video to see if i`m correct . Â This! Â It's happening more and more, you'll notice there is always a slight lag in the middle of the tapes as well, only slight, but it makes all the difference when someone makes a perfect start. I genuinely think those with the fastest reactions are getting punished at the moment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) FOR the record I'm not a fan of having a SGP in Teterow even after being there in dry, hot, sunny weather last year ... the complete opposite of this year. Conditions there over the weekend were, I'm told, appalling for everyone. Just walking around was tough and unpleasant, let alone riding. Â KT and NP had all sorts of technical issues in the commentary box, including frequent loss of power, sound systems not working, etc. And from their position they were unable to see gate 4 at the start of each race. The problem with the cameraman prior to the start of Heat 1 was that the referee couldn't see him and the gate where he intended leaving the track was closed! Â However, the track though wet, heavy and difficult certainly wasn't dangerous. And it suited certain engines and not others, which is probably why Zagar on a PJR was so successful and others were not. The big disappointment as far as the championship race is concerned is that Janowski, who either blows hot or cold and not much in-between, lost ground and Woffinden, for all his pre-meeting confidence, struggled. Â It wasn't much fun for riders, mechanics, etc coping with the wet conditions, not just on the track, but some like Doyle just get on with it. Â We have to remember that most German speedway and grass/longtrack events take place in similar facilities., complete with beer tents, sausages and the like. And the attendance? It was just over 12,500 which ranks pretty high in the general scheme of things. Edited September 11, 2017 by PHILIPRISING 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
severnsider Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 Doyle got to anticipate the start but Janowski got excluded .Not consistent. Janowski excluded for doing it a 2nd time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 This! Â It's happening more and more, you'll notice there is always a slight lag in the middle of the tapes as well, only slight, but it makes all the difference when someone makes a perfect start. I genuinely think those with the fastest reactions are getting punished at the moment. Transponders? Are these too expensive to implement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 Janowski excluded for doing it a 2nd timeDoyle in the semi, the race did not get pulled back though or it would have been a 2nd time for him.like I say not consistent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 WASN'T at KL or Teterow but can we compare the condition of the two tracks? The track at Teterow didn't appear dangerous although it was far from perfect and not conducive to decent racing until the final stages. Â As I said, wasn't at KL but have had some interesting confidential conversations with people ho believe that all the facts of that fateful night at KL have yet to emerge. They might if Holder goes ahead with an appeal. Â There is always that Masonic side to how speedway is run - regarding BV last year and who was at fault there and now it's some hushed up reasons why the rider revolt at the KL V Poole happened as it did. Why not have it all out in the open? Hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 Â There is always that Masonic side to how speedway is run - regarding BV last year and who was at fault there and now it's some hushed up reasons why the rider revolt at the KL V Poole happened as it did. Why not have it all out in the open? Hmmm. AS I said, if it goes to appeal that may happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017  This!  It's happening more and more, you'll notice there is always a slight lag in the middle of the tapes as well, only slight, but it makes all the difference when someone makes a perfect start. I genuinely think those with the fastest reactions are getting punished at the moment. Theyve broke James Sarjeant because of this. Off 1 and 4 he's lightening but never touches the tapes. Where I will admit he has issues is off 2 and 3 where he either misses or by a mile or jumps through the takes where I assume he sees the ridernofg 1 or 4 twitch so he goes.Transponders? Are these too expensive to implement?£100 for an off the shelf transponder. It's peanuts. We're told it's a pro-sport so where's the issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 Riders watch the magnets not the tapes and the ref presses the button to release , so when they misjudge a start as he did with Woffinden ,it's piss poor hand eye co-ordination on their part , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just wondering what is it with the trophies given at this gp. Its the third time these awful things have been handed out this year. They look like a cheap batch job from Argos! Any ideas from anybody on this? cutting costs maybe . or put another way maximising profit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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