Bt Sport Coverage

[NickRushbrook]

It wouldn't put most fans off attending the fixture itself imo.

 

For me, speedway is the ultimate spectator sport.

The methanol, the noise and the action. There really is no substitute if you can attend.

[yahoho]

Surely all meetings would be streamed?

 

This would be my understanding of such a venture - 1 meeting a week clearly isnt enough to draw people in for Sky or BT.

 

This type of service would be an opportunity for either an external company or tracks themselves to invent a new platform for spectators that would appeal to the masses, without the bureaucracy and pre-defined rulesets that govern the mainstream broadcasters.

 

"By the fans, for the fans" if you were.

Edited November 27, 2017 by yahoho

[A ORLOV]

 

 

Surely all meetings would be streamed?

Not sure if all the Premier clubs video, so that would have to change then as you say you might get a reduction of home fans attending, also I am sure some would pay to see meetings from the Championship and even the NL .

[STEVEHOLS54]

 

This would be my understanding of such a venture - 1 meeting a week clearly isnt enough to draw people in for Sky or BT.

 

This type of service would be an opportunity for either an external company or tracks themselves to invent a new platform for spectators that would appeal to the masses, without the bureaucracy and pre-defined rulesets that govern the mainstream broadcasters.

 

"By the fans, for the fans" if you were.

Think it may be a way fwd.

 

Take myself as an example.

 

I am based nr Chelmsford - Essex but support Poole in the Prem. I took early retirement last year and spend plenty of my spare time reading up on the forum and other Speedway sites mainly because its my main sports hobby.

 

There is no way I am going to drive 3.25 to 3.75 hours every week during the season to get to all Poole matches much as I would like to. If it was 30/40 mins drive for me like Lakeside (or even up to say 1.5 hours) then it would be a no brainer.

 

For me if Poole were regularly on a PPV even if a small time delay if live TV proves a problem, I would be happy to pay for it, even if say £10 per meeting ( I would pay even more but appreciate it has to be within a number of peoples budgets). Even more attractive if the facility allowed me to also go back and review a meeting I had paid to watch so you can see again overtaking - exciting races - incidents etc.

 

Maybe even a 2 tier system so if you want to view say 24 hours later for the first time you pay a lower figure than say live. Just knocking ideas around.

 

On top of that I would be more than happy to pay to watch other teams at home be it against Poole or even other matches on a demand basis. Also would be great again if I had the choice to pay more to see live (or on a small time delay if it is better for the production companies) and less if I go on 24 hours later (or more) to watch.

 

In a perfect World I would like it to be a situation where those who have financial restrictions pay less, as I for sure would pay more if it lets a wider audience in.

 

I don't pretend to know the internal mechanics of how it would work, but I would also consider some form of subscription payment if it helps get it going.

 

Cant believe I am the only one who would like to see it. I would rather pay something to get my weekly fix of Poole (and maybe other teams) as for sure I will not be embarking on a 6/7 hour weekly commute to see my beloved Pirates even though I could afford to. It will be selective meetings to do such a commute.

 

Anyway its jut an opinion from a fan/supporter who wants to see the sport move forward with more money coming in to support it.

[waytogo28]

Think it may be a way fwd.

 

Take myself as an example.

 

I am based nr Chelmsford - Essex but support Poole in the Prem. I took early retirement last year and spend plenty of my spare time reading up on the forum and other Speedway sites mainly because its my main sports hobby.

 

There is no way I am going to drive 3.25 to 3.75 hours every week during the season to get to all Poole matches much as I would like to. If it was 30/40 mins drive for me like Lakeside (or even up to say 1.5 hours) then it would be a no brainer.

 

For me if Poole were regularly on a PPV even if a small time delay if live TV proves a problem, I would be happy to pay for it, even if say £10 per meeting ( I would pay even more but appreciate it has to be within a number of peoples budgets). Even more attractive if the facility allowed me to also go back and review a meeting I had paid to watch so you can see again overtaking - exciting races - incidents etc.

 

Maybe even a 2 tier system so if you want to view say 24 hours later for the first time you pay a lower figure than say live. Just knocking ideas around.

 

On top of that I would be more than happy to pay to watch other teams at home be it against Poole or even other matches on a demand basis. Also would be great again if I had the choice to pay more to see live (or on a small time delay if it is better for the production companies) and less if I go on 24 hours later (or more) to watch.

 

In a perfect World I would like it to be a situation where those who have financial restrictions pay less, as I for sure would pay more if it lets a wider audience in.

 

I don't pretend to know the internal mechanics of how it would work, but I would also consider some form of subscription payment if it helps get it going.

 

Cant believe I am the only one who would like to see it. I would rather pay something to get my weekly fix of Poole (and maybe other teams) as for sure I will not be embarking on a 6/7 hour weekly commute to see my beloved Pirates even though I could afford to. It will be selective meetings to do such a commute.

 

Anyway its jut an opinion from a fan/supporter who wants to see the sport move forward with more money coming in to support it.

 

Damn Good Ideas which I support and hope that the BSPA deign to consider. That is my situation exactly other than watching speedway live at King's Lynn and I have no transport and need to watch my expenditure on luxuries like speedway. When working I was three to four matches a week man based in Northampton and could reach a range of tracks easily. I am not sure I would pay £10 unless it had the review later option but between £5 and £10 for selected matches I felt were "juicy morsels" that might contain VFM worthwhile racing.

[Phil The Ace]

Russell is playing a rather dangerous game. We need the tv money or teams will not be able to afford what they have planned. Which could result in new rule changes and a lesser point limit

Edited November 27, 2017 by Phil The Ace

[waytogo28]

Russell is playing a rather dangerous game. We need the tv mo ey or teams will not be able to afford what they hsve planned. Which could result in new rule changes and a lesser point limit

 

I think that there may not be any "TV money " other than a small amount per match televised. Why would a broadcaster stump up a significant figure for a sport with such a tiny fanbase - even including the armchair fans?

[STEVEHOLS54]

 

I think that there may not be any "TV money " other than a small amount per match televised. Why would a broadcaster stump up a significant figure for a sport with such a tiny fanbase - even including the armchair fans?

Sadly I tend to agree.

 

I did not subscribe to BT Sport purely out of principal because I use the full SKY package incl movies & sport. I felt it an insult that what allowed SKY to charge premium rate was watered down by the loss of Champions League - MOTO GP and finally Speedway.

 

Out of pure principal I was not prepared to be held to ransom to watch the sport via BT when it was part of my Sky Sports package with Sky which is expensive per month with all the other channels such as movies etc.

 

I wonder how many other SKY Subscribers felt similar and also those who may have ben occasional visitors to Sky Speedway as it was part of their sports package. Lets be honest even for the neutral sports fan there wansnt much compulsive sports viewing on a Monday so why not look in on Speedway as it didn't cost any more.

 

Of course all the rumours flying around could be w rong as we know there wld not be anything anyway until the BSPA had agreed on fixed race nights etc. Maybe something will be negotiated/forthcoming.

 

But as they say there is no smoke without fire so maybe some heavily diluted package in in the offering. No doubt as well the BSPA may say yes to virtually any watered down deal rather than see the sport from a League perspective go into media oblivion forever lost to the Speedway public.

 

Its not only TV. You rarely see any news in National papers these days re Speedway. Not even corner snippets. If you are lucky some of the tabloids will show the results somewhere probably near the greyhound results which is another thing slowly dying on its feet.

[flagrag]

From what I have been told by a few sources is that BT had offered a tv deal to British Speedway subject to a few conditions being met etc £10 entry,a min amount of GP riders.

 

However some promotions over value what they think British Speedway tv rights are worth and think that they should be getting Thousands just for the rights to allow BT to broadcast the racing.

 

Then of course you have Terry & Ron Russell in the middle if BT offer just a meeting fee to the clubs or nothing but do cover the production costs how do old Tel & Ron make their money

[RobMcCaffery]

Sadly I tend to agree.

 

I did not subscribe to BT Sport purely out of principal because I use the full SKY package incl movies & sport. I felt it an insult that what allowed SKY to charge premium rate was watered down by the loss of Champions League - MOTO GP and finally Speedway.

 

Out of pure principal I was not prepared to be held to ransom to watch the sport via BT when it was part of my Sky Sports package with Sky which is expensive per month with all the other channels such as movies etc.

 

I wonder how many other SKY Subscribers felt similar and also those who may have ben occasional visitors to Sky Speedway as it was part of their sports package. Lets be honest even for the neutral sports fan there wansnt much compulsive sports viewing on a Monday so why not look in on Speedway as it didn't cost any more.

 

Of course all the rumours flying around could be w rong as we know there wld not be anything anyway until the BSPA had agreed on fixed race nights etc. Maybe something will be negotiated/forthcoming.

 

But as they say there is no smoke without fire so maybe some heavily diluted package in in the offering. No doubt as well the BSPA may say yes to virtually any watered down deal rather than see the sport from a League perspective go into media oblivion forever lost to the Speedway public.

 

Its not only TV. You rarely see any news in National papers these days re Speedway. Not even corner snippets. If you are lucky some of the tabloids will show the results somewhere probably near the greyhound results which is another thing slowly dying on its feet.

So because Sky rip you off you won't do business with BT out of principle? How curious. Sky dumped speedway but still rip you off so you punish BT and yourself. You're not being held to ransom. Sky overcharged so naturally competition came in. BT cover speedway because Sky dropped it, first internationally, then domestically There is a service, and that has a price. Nobody's kidnapped your gerbil. ;-)

 

(Principal has a different meaning by the way).

Edited November 27, 2017 by Rob McCaffery

[STEVEHOLS54]

So because Sky rip you off you won't do business with BT out of principle? How curious. Sky get it wrong and you punish BT and yourself.

 

(Principal has a different meaning by the way).

I made a decision.

 

For my family the Sky package is more important than BT.

 

I decided not to pay BT as to be honest don't think its worth the money just for one meeting per week (and even then not every week). That's league meetings by the way.

 

My point being anyway, how many more were there like me who probably cldnt be bothered to pay out even more money just to see Speedway once per week (and not every week). I think there were probably a lot more who didn't than probably did.

 

I am not surprised if BT do decide its not worth it as not enough support. Hopefully they will keep the GP though for those who want to watch the top guys racing. If that also goes then the sport really is in a bit of trouble.

 

Just my opinion.

[Theboss]

From what I have been told by a few sources is that BT had offered a tv deal to British Speedway subject to a few conditions being met etc £10 entry,a min amount of GP riders.

 

However some promotions over value what they think British Speedway tv rights are worth and think that they should be getting Thousands just for the rights to allow BT to broadcast the racing.

 

Then of course you have Terry & Ron Russell in the middle if BT offer just a meeting fee to the clubs or nothing but do cover the production costs how do old Tel & Ron make their money

I have sympathy for the promotions who want to get a deal done, however you have to wonder how they ever got into this ridiculous scenario of not having the deal done before the AGM.

 

Would look really stupid if the league had to meet up again and bring in new rules to try and lower costs.

[hyderd]

I made a decision.

 

For my family the Sky package is more important than BT.

 

I decided not to pay BT as to be honest don't think its worth the money just for one meeting per week (and even then not every week). That's league meetings by the way.

 

My point being anyway, how many more were there like me who probably cldnt be bothered to pay out even more money just to see Speedway once per week (and not every week). I think there were probably a lot more who didn't than probably did.

 

I am not surprised if BT do decide its not worth it as not enough support. Hopefully they will keep the GP though for those who want to watch the top guys racing. If that also goes then the sport really is in a bit of trouble.

 

Just my opinion.

 

I have Virgin, anyone who has the XL package automatically gets all BT sports in HD,one can add all Sky sports at an extra cost which is on a par to Sky's cost, however if one has the Sky package then wants BT also they can only do this by having a separate contract with BT,all pie in the sky now, if BT don't have the 2018 SGP's then I shall be downgrading my Virgin contract as Speedway is the only live sport I will watch.

[Midland Red]

So because Sky rip you off you won't do business with BT out of principle? How curious. Sky dumped speedway but still rip you off so you punish BT and yourself. You're not being held to ransom. Sky overcharged so naturally competition came in. BT cover speedway because Sky dropped it, first internationally, then domestically There is a service, and that has a price. Nobody's kidnapped your gerbil. ;-)

 

(Principal has a different meaning by the way).

Are you "Rob McCaffery" or "Rob McCaffrey"? The latter used to be on Sky Sports, according to wikipedia

[waytogo28]

I have sympathy for the promotions who want to get a deal done, however you have to wonder how they ever got into this ridiculous scenario of not having the deal done before the AGM.

 

Would look really stupid if the league had to meet up again and bring in new rules to try and lower costs.

 

And this no doubt exactly where we are at present. Led up the garden path yet again by the ineptitude of the BSPA.

[A ORLOV]

I have sympathy for the promotions who want to get a deal done, however you have to wonder how they ever got into this ridiculous scenario of not having the deal done before the AGM.

 

Would look really stupid if the league had to meet up again and bring in new rules to try and lower costs.

Or even worse get rid of or change contracts for riders already signed.

[Stoke Potter]

From what I have been told by a few sources is that BT had offered a tv deal to British Speedway subject to a few conditions being met a min amount of GP riders.

 

 

This must be a concern, especially now Doyle has gone from Swindon, could he end up elsewhere?

What would this minimum be? Half of the teams to have a GP rider?? Holder to Poole, Lindgren/Wolves, Belle Vue/Zagar? King's Lynn???

[Argos]

Apparently at the Peterborough forum tonight there Promoter stated there would be no TV money this season

[alkadera]

According to CVS at the wolves talk in, no deal has been reached yet. 3 year deal on the table but some clubs are reluctant to sign up.

[CookieIpswich]

I had a proposal for PPV live streaming before I left the BSPA. It was when I was worried about the sky TV deal not being renewed last time around.

 

5 years later and words fail me if this is not a back up option to a BT sport deal not being concluded this season.

I also proposed this to Keith last winter alongside many other ideas, I used online streaming for my MMA promotion and it was very successful and could be done on a budget

 

I was told yeah I'll arrange a meeting with you in a few weeks and nothing happened, I was willing to meet anytime any place but gave up after the second attempt

 

Also giving up on the sport as well, had an engine deal for the past few months ready for a rider but it would seem most have been brain washed by the stupidity of the BSPA and don't see a good deal