IainB Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) It seems perfectly clear that there is only ever going to be one winner between Poland and GB speedway. Surely it's time to start working with the Polish league and not against it.Why don't UK clubs team up with a Polish counterpart and run squad systems between them. That way when the Polish club calls on a rider from the UK they can send one of their own across to the UK as a replacement, every one's a winner. The Poles get the rider they want, the rider gets the big money and experience (that Cook and Lambert etc are looking for), the dropped polish rider gets to ride in the UK to add to their experience and the UK teams are able to field a full side.A number of football clubs have affiliated feeder clubs (or used to anyway).I wonder if anybody is forward thinking enough to make it happen, or will toys continue to be thrown out of prams until there is no professional speedway league in this country. Edited August 7, 2017 by iainb 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 It seems perfectly clear that there is only ever going to be one winner between Poland and GB speedway. Surely it's time to start working with the Polish league and not against it. Why don't UK clubs team up with a Polish counterpart and run squad systems between them. That way when the Polish club calls on a rider from the UK they can send one of their own across to the UK as a replacement, every one's a winner. The Poles get the rider they want, the rider gets the big money and experience (that Cook and Lambert etc are looking for), the dropped polish rider gets to ride in the UK to add to their experience and the UK teams are able to field a full side. A number of football clubs have affiliated feeder clubs (or used to anyway). I wonder if anybody is forward thinking enough to make it happen, or will toys continued to be thrown out of prams until there is no professional speedway league in this country. On the face of it - that sounds like a very good idea. A win, win for everyone, Clubs, Riders and Supporters. It won't happen though for the reason highlighted above. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 Stoke City have just started a partnership with my local club in Hamburg.I will tell you what won't happen.If one of St.Pauli's players is scoring a lot of goals Stoke won't be able to say come over to us for a game next week and we will send one of our players over for a game.We will see if you go well and you could play a few more games for us while still having a few games in Germany when we don't need you Total nonsense that doesn't happen.End of 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) It seems perfectly clear that there is only ever going to be one winner between Poland and GB speedway. Surely it's time to start working with the Polish league and not against it. Why don't UK clubs team up with a Polish counterpart and run squad systems between them. That way when the Polish club calls on a rider from the UK they can send one of their own across to the UK as a replacement, every one's a winner. The Poles get the rider they want, the rider gets the big money and experience (that Cook and Lambert etc are looking for), the dropped polish rider gets to ride in the UK to add to their experience and the UK teams are able to field a full side. A number of football clubs have affiliated feeder clubs (or used to anyway). I wonder if anybody is forward thinking enough to make it happen, or will toys continued to be thrown out of prams until there is no professional speedway league in this country. On the face of it - that sounds like a very good idea. A win, win for everyone, Clubs, Riders and Supporters. It won't happen though for the reason highlighted above. How right you are TWK! Edited August 6, 2017 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R87 Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 Slight snag to the idea. The Poles will not even attempt to cooperate with anyone, be it Britain, Sweden or Denmark. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 Slight snag to the idea. The Poles will not even attempt to cooperate with anyone, be it Britain, Sweden or Denmark. they dont need to cooperate, they click their fingers, pay some cash and the promoter agrees to weaken his team. that's all the cooperation they want 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) I wonder if anybody has ever tried to co-operate or just approach them with their own self interest in mind. Perhaps a mutually beneficial approach is needed Edited August 7, 2017 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 British riders are not up to the standard required to compete at the top level in Poland so while a good idea the reality is it cannot happen. Unfortunately two choices, bring the Poles down to the lowest common denominator (will not happen) or GB walk away because riders in the GB are simply not good enough and leave the Poles looking for some alternative opposition which with the Russians, Latvians and a combined Scandinavian presence could be provided. Maybe at individual or pairs but anything else Gab has no chance. Speedway in the U.K. needs to go back to basics and start again if it is to survive, the alternative is oblivion. Accepr that GB riders are not at the same level but might be in a few years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 I wonder if anybody has ever tried to co-operative or just approach them with their own self interest in mind. Perhaps a mutually beneficial approach is needed Can you be more specific with the idea please iainb? IMO you have the basis of a sound suggestion but I would like to see more data in relation to it. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 Slight snag to the idea. The Poles will not even attempt to cooperate with anyone, be it Britain, Sweden or Denmark. maybe they lack trust in others ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 I'm not talking specifically about British riders but riders riding in Britain... Jack Holder and Jacob Thorsell immediately spring to mind. Instead of coming up with reasons why it couldn't work how about looking at ways it could work. It was only a kernel of an idea and everybody is shutting me down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 I'm not talking specifically about British riders but riders riding in Britain... Jack Holder and Jacob Thorsell immediately spring to mind. Instead of coming up with reasons why it couldn't work how about looking at ways it could work. It was only a kernel of an idea and everybody is shutting me down I'm not shutting you down. I just don't think your idea, which certainly has a lot of merit, in my opinion, will be implemented because of the lack of foresight by the Speedway Authorities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 I tend to agree... But it would be nice to think there was a way out of the current pit speedway in this country is in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 Instead of coming up with reasons why it couldn't work how about looking at ways it could work. It was only a kernel of an idea and everybody is shutting me down it won't work because, its a new idea, so won't work,,, it never happened in the past so it is bound to fail 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 I am just pointing out how your football reference is ridiculous.Surely you can see that the sort of thing you are trying to solve just doesn't,'t happen in football and probably any other sport,so bringing football into your solution is a poor example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 I don't know gustix, like I say it's just the kernel of an idea. So something like a Polish and British club sign 14 riders between them, there could be an overlap and when the Poles want to use Jacob Thorsell for example on UK race night they send over one of their assets to replace him, maybe a young Pole looking for experience or a rider struggling for form. They're going to get Thorsell anyway, this way out saves him getting a 28 day ban, the fans get to see a full team and a new rider who in the standard of our league may excel Iris123 I only mentioned football as I know they operate feeder clubs. Where speedway differs from football is that players only play in one league unlike in speedway, so yes to do exactly the same is as you say ridiculous... But I'm not suggesting speedway does the same... I also find your tone a bit aggressive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 British riders are not up to the standard required to compete at the top level in Poland so while a good idea the reality is it cannot happen. Unfortunately two choices, bring the Poles down to the lowest common denominator (will not happen) or GB walk away because riders in the GB are simply not good enough and leave the Poles looking for some alternative opposition which with the Russians, Latvians and a combined Scandinavian presence could be provided. Maybe at individual or pairs but anything else Gab has no chance. Speedway in the U.K. needs to go back to basics and start again if it is to survive, the alternative is oblivion. Accepr that GB riders are not at the same level but might be in a few years That's been my thoughts for a long time. Clubs over here need to concentrate on producing their own local talent, rather than expensive imports. Look at rugby league, how many times have you seen a player tempted over to rugby union by a big pay cheque? It doesn't seem to affect rugby league clubs, they have an impressive conveyor belt of young local talent just waiting to come through. Hopefully one day speedway will cotton on and be in a similar position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 It seems perfectly clear that there is only ever going to be one winner between Poland and GB speedway. Surely it's time to start working with the Polish league and not against it. Why don't UK clubs team up with a Polish counterpart and run squad systems between them. That way when the Polish club calls on a rider from the UK they can send one of their own across to the UK as a replacement, every one's a winner. The Poles get the rider they want, the rider gets the big money and experience (that Cook and Lambert etc are looking for), the dropped polish rider gets to ride in the UK to add to their experience and the UK teams are able to field a full side. A number of football clubs have affiliated feeder clubs (or used to anyway). I wonder if anybody is forward thinking enough to make it happen, or will toys continued to be thrown out of prams until there is no professional speedway league in this country. There just isn't the money here and probably never will be. With regard to professional speedway, I'm surprised there's any now, most tracks are deserted, with the meager crowd usually crammed into one small corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke Potter Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 Surely this is something that should be fixed by the FIM and stop Poland dictating to the other nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 That's been my thoughts for a long time. Clubs over here need to concentrate on producing their own local talent, rather than expensive imports. Look at rugby league, how many times have you seen a player tempted over to rugby union by a big pay cheque? It doesn't seem to affect rugby league clubs, they have an impressive conveyor belt of young local talent just waiting to come through. Hopefully one day speedway will cotton on and be in a similar position. The difference is that you can play rugby at school and it costs nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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