Trees Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Aussies have always been an integral part of British Speedway, it's up to promoters of the day to employ them or not, give them good deals or not. They have to make a success of their speedway careers here or they are off back down under, simple as that really. Over the years British Speedway fans have delighted in the talent and form of their Aussie riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) Aussies have always been an integral part of British Speedway, it's up to promoters of the day to employ them or not, give them good deals or not. They have to make a success of their speedway careers here or they are off back down under, simple as that really. Over the years British Speedway fans have delighted in the talent and form of their Aussie riders. Past history Trees. That does not give Aussies or anyone else the right to rubbish on British Speedway from a great height. I can't imagine Crump, Sullivan, Adams or Parker behaving as the current crop of Aussies are doing. Edited August 5, 2017 by Star Lady 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Past history Trees. That does not give Aussies or anyone else the right to rubbish on British Speedway from a great height. I can't imagine Crump, Sullivan, Adams or Parker behaving as the current crop of Aussies are doing. Spot on.Totally different situation and we need to adapt......fast!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Past history Trees. That does not give Aussies or anyone else the right to rubbish on British Speedway from a great height. I can't imagine Crump, Sullivan, Adams or Parker behaving as the current crop of Aussies are doing. They have all been pretty forthright with their opinions over the years ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Aussies have always been an integral part of British Speedway, it's up to promoters of the day to employ them or not, give them good deals or not. They have to make a success of their speedway careers here or they are off back down under, simple as that really. Over the years British Speedway fans have delighted in the talent and form of their Aussie riders. You seem to have a contradiction in your attitude. In one hand you're angry with the GP series for having a detrimental effect on British Speedway, then on the other couldn't care less about Aussies taking the p!ss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 You seem to have a contradiction in your attitude. In one hand you're angry with the GP series for having a detrimental effect on British Speedway, then on the other couldn't care less about Aussies taking the p!ss No, I don't like the fact that the GP Series is owned by an independant company so league speedway does not benefit .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 They have all been pretty forthright with their opinions over the years ... It's one thing to voice opinions but quite another to walk out of meetings and treat fans with contempt. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 No, I don't like the fact that the GP Series is owned by an independant company so league speedway does not benefit .... Oh right, so where's the benefit in the Aussies doing runners to Poland?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave the Mic Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) That seems sensible...and yet some people on here have had a right moan about the Polish league doing exactly this! Yes, but it's very different. How many riders get a chance in Poland if they have no pedigree? None. Riders come to the UK, get a good grounding in a competitive situation & then once it suits them, they leave. Even Woffinden did it. The point is, if they are contracted here, they should ride & Jack Holder should be suspended as he should be riding in the fours. As he isn't, he is withholding his services. The Polish league invests nothing in these riders until they are proven. These riders are using the UK, until it doesn't suit them to race here. The approach taken this week (if the rider sycophants would shut up) should help a few of the Aussies realise they will no longer be allowed to mess British Speedway around. Let's hope so. All those sticking up for what Holder & Batchelor did, need to look at themselves. They are not "poor victimised speedway riders". Edited August 5, 2017 by Dave the Mic 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 It seems more than ever British Speedway is being taken for a ride and just being used for VISA's to ride abroad. Now Jack Holder is playing the game, a relatively new rider to Speedway across here and no doubt already being influenced. Maybe we should now do what we did to the American's many years ago. 7 average or above in the top league or VISA's are no longer renewed 9 Average or above in the 2nd league or VISA's are no longer renewed A rather harsh PROPOSED attitude towards Australian riders IMO. Basically, it is to the Australian influence in the early 1920s and the support they gave to the introduction of speedway (aka dirt track racing) to the UK in 1928 that there is UK speedway these days. Fortunately, I am fairly certain that the idea will not even be considered by those who govern and guide UK speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) A rather harsh PROPOSED attitude towards Australian riders IMO. Basically, it is to the Australian influence in the early 1920s and the support they gave to the introduction of speedway (aka dirt track racing) to the UK in 1928 that there is UK speedway these days. Fortunately, I am fairly certain that the idea will not even be considered by those who govern and guide UK speedway. It is thanks largely to the influence of the Angles and Saxons that we speak the language we do,but we don't let the Germans take the p as a thank you,do we?No we don't Edited August 5, 2017 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 It seems more than ever British Speedway is being taken for a ride and just being used for VISA's to ride abroad. Now Jack Holder is playing the game, a relatively new rider to Speedway across here and no doubt already being influenced. Maybe we should now do what we did to the American's many years ago. 7 average or above in the top league or VISA's are no longer renewed 9 Average or above in the 2nd league or VISA's are no longer renewed Yeah. We saw tonight at Leicester how much better off King's Lynn are without their Aussies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 get in touch with immigration and cancel their visas & sponsors. See where they end up then. One meeting does not make him a superstar. A poor score will see when the squad system comes in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Yeah. We saw tonight at Leicester how much better off King's Lynn are without their Aussies. Think you are comparing apples with pears.Obviously to get rid of a couple of riders at this stage of the season is not easy.Far easier to build a team over the winter without these two.But do you just let riders do what they want because the teams might be weaker without them?Is it right to the fans of a team that when a foreign team with money comes knocking you just let him go?Sounds like you are voting for anarchy.Nice if you are an anarchist,but most speedway fans ain't 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) Yeah. We saw tonight at Leicester how much better off King's Lynn are without their Aussies. Hmm, Leicester 54 King's Lynn 38. I agree grachan - that tends to say it all! Edited August 5, 2017 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Hmm, Leicester 54 King's Lynn 38. I agree grachan - that tends to say it all! i thought it was 62-28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 i thought it was 62-28 Gustix was using his 1940s race card 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 I think that the first thing to do is change the asset system so that signing any foreign rider and giving him a good run to learn his trade is never easier/ cheaper than doing the same for a young Brit. Don't allow any foreign rider to have an average less than that which he would be assessed at. Add 3 points to any riders average who doesn't agree to prioritise British fixtures. Apply average discounts for British riders who stay with the same team year on year to encourage continuity. Allow a further discount for riders who ride at the track nearest to their home town. These don't have to be big discounts but something that after 3 or 4 years of continuity with local riders can make a significant difference to team building. Difficult situation with the Aussies as for every whinger there is another like Doolan who has been a great addition to British Speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 I wonder if there is a thread on an Australian speedway forum along the lines of "Time to stop wasting our time in the UK"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 I wonder if there is a thread on an Australian speedway forum along the lines of "Time to stop wasting our time in the UK"? They have little option, you can't make a living riding there and getting a place and a visa anywhere but here isn't easy (not impossible though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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