Time To Crack Down On The Aussies?

[WembleyLion]

Surely seeing off Watt, Holder and Batchelor in one season is more than most of us could have dreamed of!

[RPNY]

Holder Schlein Batch can moan all they want but Id be very surprised if they arent all back riding in the UK next year. On Current form none of them are going to be at the top of any Polish/Swedish teams shopping list..

[waytogo28]

I feel that all we need is a season long commitment, by contract, for any Australian riders. We need to put in place much bigger hurdles to preset this happening again. In this case the promoter should be fined for agreeing that the rider could de-camp as J. Holder did.

[HenryW]

I feel that all we need is a season long commitment, by contract, for any Australian riders. We need to put in place much bigger hurdles to preset this happening again. In this case the promoter should be fined for agreeing that the rider could de-camp as J. Holder did.

If you are going to ask for a season long commitment you surely have to make it a 2 way thing... give a commitment to the riders as well, something that isn't done at present.

 

Every rider knows they are just 1 meeting away from being dropped if another rider with an attractive average becomes available. Often the rider being dropped hasn't done anything wrong, their average just fits for the changes wanted elsewhere in the team.

 

With that attitude from promoters, it's not hard to see why riders look out for themselves!

[hagonshocker]

What sort of tw*t would drag Nick Morris into this??? Wtf has he done that is wrong? Some of you just make s**t up to make an attempt to make yourself look clever or stir up s**t....in this case the latter...what a mug

Edited August 8, 2017 by hagonshocker

[The White Knight]

 

Are you saying that without the British leagues, Australian speedway would peter out.

The answer to that is yes, in my opinion.

And do you think British speedway is better for the absence of anericans/Australians/kiwis.

Personally I think it would have been poorer if the likes of Penh all, Morals, Ward etc had not graced these shores. OK england/Britain might have had more success on the world stage, but our domestic league and world speedway would have been much poorer for it.

Good grief!!! - you don't want to bring morals in to a discussion on Speedway.

[Dave the Mic]

 

Take a look at the lower Polish leagues and see how many of the riders have never ridden in the UK.

 

Almost all riders come through the Polish leagues, with the exception of the Australians (and Brits). I'd suggest this is more of a cultural thing than anything to do with speedway ability.

Or not. Eastern Europeans may do, no others do. They come here.

Got to love these Aussies. Rory Schlein on Twitter

 

 

Is this the same Aussie who was happy to accept a British license and ride in the British final?

Indeed. Cock.

 

Back in the 70's Ivan Mauger (a Kiwi of course) gave priority to his Long Track committments over British Speedway - didn't he have it written into his Exeter contract that he had to be flown back from his sunday continental meeting to race for the Falcons on the Monday (otherwise he wouldn't have ridden for them) ?

Yes, but he did ride, didn't he? And he was only the greatest rider of all time. I think he may have been able to set some conditions on his contract don't you?

[Grachan]

Oh well done , TBH you have shamed me into changing my opinion with your well thought out and eloquent response to my post , if only I had spent more of my school time actually working instead of daydreaming about speedway I could have been as well read and intelligent as you , I will totally agree with your opinion as soon as I have found out what it is , perhaps you could break it down into single syllable words to make it easier for me to understand ., but in the meantime if you would leave me an email address I will email all my future posts for your approval before posting them , I understand you must be busy , what with finding solutions to third world famine and unravelling the mysteries of the galaxy so I won't expect an immediate reply .

 

So are you going to say what Nick Morris has done wrong or not?

[iris123]

 

So are you going to say what Nick Morris has done wrong or not?

Maybe i am mistaken but i thought it had already been pointed out

 

Used being British to ride in the British only NL,then afterwards became Australian.That was the posted accusation,albeit sarcastically.Then again i am fluent in sarcasm,i can understand it straight away

[Grachan]

Maybe i am mistaken but i thought it had already been pointed out

 

Used being British to ride in the British only NL,then afterwards became Australian.That was the posted accusation,albeit sarcastically.Then again i am fluent in sarcasm,i can understand it straight away

 

He is British. He has citizenship.

 

Also, he was due to commit himself to the future as a British rider by riding in a meeting as a British rider but the BSPA refused to allow him to. I can't remember the exact detail, but there was quite a furore at the time.

 

It was only after that that he chose to ride as an Aussie.

[iris123]

I know.I was only pointing out that was the argument against him posted earlier in the thread

[Guest compost]

Yes, but he did ride, didn't he? And he was only the greatest rider of all time. I think he may have been able to set some conditions on his contract don't you?

 

Dave

I was replying to -

"give us an instance .of Adams ,Crump , Sanders , wanting to change the Way British speedway operates for the benefit of their Polish commitments , or give us an instance of when they didn't give 100% priority to their British clubs"

It is an example of a rider not giving 100% priority to their British club - in this case not Polish speedway but to Long Track. It is a valid response.

And yes he, and any rider, is perfectly entitled to get the best from their contract(s) that they can (and good luck to them). Exeter obviously didn't object as they signed him, and as you point out, he rode for them.

Hope this helps clarify my post ?

[B.V 72]

Like you say,they have to make GB their priority.

A lot of the Australians that ride over here are very loyal to the British league.

So why put a stop to them coming over here to start off their careers.

I would think that it would be fair that in return for giving them the chance/start in a speedway league.That they should be asked to sign a contract that they will remain loyal and give first priority to the British league for say 6/8 or so years with a large financial clause if they break the contract.If they don't want to sign then fine find a start elsewhere.( the Poles ask for demands from riders which they agree to if they want to ride there so why can't we).

That way the promoters will have a guarantee that they will get a return for their investment and if the rider turns out to be a super star they will at least have them in their team for a few years at their best.

I am not saying stop them riding in Poland if they become good enough just that over these years we get priority full stop.

A good few will never become world class but over here they would be good 2nd strings/3rd heat leaders, Championship heat leaders etc so why bring in a rule where we would miss out on these riders.

Just my thoughts but I think its a fair way and would give everyone a fair deal.

[Hacksaw Jim Duggan]

In answer to the OP, no.

 

The riders who are committed have been an absolute joy to watch, none more so than Doyle who for the most part has been excellent for British Speedway. I don’t see why he, or fans, should suffer over the actions of others.

Edited August 11, 2017 by Hacksaw Jim Duggan

[foamfence]

A lot of the Australians that ride over here are very loyal to the British league.

So why put a stop to them coming over here to start off their careers.

I would think that it would be fair that in return for giving them the chance/start in a speedway league.That they should be asked to sign a contract that they will remain loyal and give first priority to the British league for say 6/8 or so years with a large financial clause if they break the contract.If they don't want to sign then fine find a start elsewhere.( the Poles ask for demands from riders which they agree to if they want to ride there so why can't we).

That way the promoters will have a guarantee that they will get a return for their investment and if the rider turns out to be a super star they will at least have them in their team for a few years at their best.

I am not saying stop them riding in Poland if they become good enough just that over these years we get priority full stop.

A good few will never become world class but over here they would be good 2nd strings/3rd heat leaders, Championship heat leaders etc so why bring in a rule where we would miss out on these riders.

Just my thoughts but I think its a fair way and would give everyone a fair deal.

I think most posters would agree to that.

[Fromafar]

A lot of the Australians that ride over here are very loyal to the British league.

So why put a stop to them coming over here to start off their careers.

I would think that it would be fair that in return for giving them the chance/start in a speedway league.That they should be asked to sign a contract that they will remain loyal and give first priority to the British league for say 6/8 or so years with a large financial clause if they break the contract.If they don't want to sign then fine find a start elsewhere.( the Poles ask for demands from riders which they agree to if they want to ride there so why can't we).

That way the promoters will have a guarantee that they will get a return for their investment and if the rider turns out to be a super star they will at least have them in their team for a few years at their best.

I am not saying stop them riding in Poland if they become good enough just that over these years we get priority full stop.

A good few will never become world class but over here they would be good 2nd strings/3rd heat leaders, Championship heat leaders etc so why bring in a rule where we would miss out on these riders.

Just my thoughts but I think its a fair way and would give everyone a fair deal.

I don't want to see foreign riders banned if they commit to GB for season ,you have fair point but 6/8 years is a bit long,perhaps they should have clause that they have to buy out there GB contract if they want to concentrate on abroad.After all the British Clubs are training them and paying them to learn their trade.

[B.V 72]

I don't want to see foreign riders banned if they commit to GB for season ,you have fair point but 6/8 years is a bit long,perhaps they should have clause that they have to buy out there GB contract if they want to concentrate on abroad.After all the British Clubs are training them and paying them to learn their trade.

Not saying stop them riding abroad just that if we have an arranged fixture then that takes priority over a rearranged fixture in Poland.The way its always been until this season when the Poles who want it all their own way changed the ball game.

 

I did mention a financial clause in my 1st post.

Edited August 9, 2017 by B.V 72

[Fromafar]

Not saying stop them riding abroad just that if we have an arranged fixture then that takes priority over a rearranged fixture in Poland.The way its always been until this season when the Poles who want it all their own way changed the ball game.

 

I did mention a financial clause in my 1st post.

Fair enough,but what has brought this to a head is Poland saying to Jack Holder mid- season, we want you for rest of season that has to be put a stop to somehow.Its obvious that the money is better,but a little loyalty has to be shown.Not just a bung to his GB Promoter to make it alright.

[KEITH M]

Twisting this topic a little if say Steve Worrall quits Belle Vue at end of season to ride in Poland only, most on here would call him a money grabbing @#£# who has used British speedway, yet I bet if he quit Newcastle to ride in Poland you lot would say he has done it to further his career

[foamfence]

Twisting this topic a little if say Steve Worrall quits Belle Vue at end of season to ride in Poland only, most on here would call him a money grabbing @#£# who has used British speedway, yet I bet if he quit Newcastle to ride in Poland you lot would say he has done it to further his career

He already rides in Poland.