tellboy Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 3 of the Lynn boys done alright at Workington tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) To be fair is he a suitable replacement for a number 1? He is a championship No 1 and there isn't much of a difference. Thing is, though, he was utterly pathetic and I hope he was heavily fined. With the Grand Monarch in charge, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Dan Bewley - almost 40% of Kings Lynn points... Well done Dan... A Belle Vue Reserve... Well done British Speedway... A total shambles of a sport.... That score really doesn't go anywhere near justifying just how important he was to this meeting. He fought for every point and his brilliant passing moves turned a ruin of a match into something almost worth watching. Star of the show by miles. Thomas and Lambert weren't interested, Garrity was worse and we had to put with Peter York and his inane drivel, for heavens sake. One interesting point : McGregor apparently refused permission for a sun break which caused several toys to be thrown out in the pits. Edited August 5, 2017 by Halifaxtiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 No point in having one big league. There isn't enough riders to fill the teams. Think you could get the riders.But if you feel we couldn't get enough riders then how about 6 man teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Another meet of guests and r/r something has to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubichair Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) something seriously needs changing within the bspa Edited August 5, 2017 by hair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Think you could get the riders.But if you feel we couldn't get enough riders then how about 6 man teams. Danish 5 man format? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Another nail in the coffin of British speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) Danish 5 man format?For me 100%.... Ten riders per match... Each averaging £1000... Best averaged riders get more than £1k, lesser riders get less.. Total outlay therefore is £10k per team for the home and away legs... Meaning £15 admission per adult would need 800 fans per match to pay for the two match outlay and the VAT... Take it or leave it is the deal for the riders, sign up 100% for every meeting... Any extra made from personal or club sponsorship is theirs to share... Or don't agree with the terms and ride overseas.. Won't bring any World Class GP riders on that money but will deliver plenty of riders who would love to earn that money three or four times a week.. Get the team strengths compatible, four riders per race of similar standard, and the racing will justify the £15 outlay... You don't need World Class riders to make great Speedway, you do though need riders of a similar level, regardless of how that level sits in the grand scheme of things.. 'Heroes' will be lost, but more 'Heroes' will be made... 99.9% of the population of Britain have no idea who Jason Doyle, Freddie Lindgren and Chris Holder are anyway... A huge 60 million+ potential fans are out there if the sport is run correctly. . Imagine that? Edited August 5, 2017 by mikebv 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liontamer Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 couple of questions from a lions fan. 1) Does Peter York ever stop waffling on about feck all? He drives you round the chuffin' bend. Haven't we had to suffer enough Coventry rejects already (Garrity, Lynch) without having to put up with him too. please get rid asap. 2) why does any team sign three laps Lambert? I've never seen him complete a full race. 3) knuckle scraper Garrity.... Just why? 4) Dan Bewley,how good is he? Definitely one for the future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry_Bee Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 How many meetings each week are actually run where there is a 1-7 with no guests and no r/r? I think trying to attract new fans in the current state of the sport is so difficult, how on earth do you try and explain the farce of the team line ups tonight? There is no future in team speedway, you are better running an individual meeting week in week out as this doubling up issue gets worse year on year and as a bees fan I have missed speedway but not the merry go round and as in the star with Berwick using 46 riders so far this season it's absolute nonsense. The team Kings Lynn put out is embarrassing, to pay elite league entrance fee for that is robbing the public. Who wants to see that tonight, they should be fined for fielding such a poor team. Buster can't blame this on anybody else, he made his choices and has to live with the consequences. Sad night for British speedway and Monday night on TV isn't exactly the fixture we need to sell the sport, be praying for rain I imagine. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonga Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Why anybody uses Garrity is beyond me. The lads got talent but too petulant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 The team Kings Lynn put out is embarrassing, to pay elite league entrance fee for that is robbing the public. Who wants to see that tonight, they should be fined for fielding such a poor team. Buster can't blame this on anybody else, he made his choices and has to live with the consequences. "We head to Leicester on Saturday but my main focus is Monday when we have a very special meeting against Somerset here at the Adrian Flux Arena." That is a direct quote from Buster Chapman (the man in charge of British Speedway) on the KL website and with an attitude like that it's no wonder the sport is in the state that it is. A total disregard for anything other than trying to get fans through his own turnstiles. What he doesn't realise is that if every promoter took that attitude (and most of them do) then there is no real competition (like whoever went tonight witnessed) and the sport (and I use the term loosely) is in a downward spiral into oblivion 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 this must be the worst result in premiership . so surely keith chapman should resign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) How many meetings each week are actually run where there is a 1-7 with no guests and no r/r? I think trying to attract new fans in the current state of the sport is so difficult, how on earth do you try and explain the farce of the team line ups tonight? There is no future in team speedway, you are better running an individual meeting week in week out as this doubling up issue gets worse year on year and as a bees fan I have missed speedway but not the merry go round and as in the star with Berwick using 46 riders so far this season it's absolute nonsense. The team Kings Lynn put out is embarrassing, to pay elite league entrance fee for that is robbing the public. Who wants to see that tonight, they should be fined for fielding such a poor team. Buster can't blame this on anybody else, he made his choices and has to live with the consequences. Sad night for British speedway and Monday night on TV isn't exactly the fixture we need to sell the sport, be praying for rain I imagine. A normal meeting must cost in total around £20 - £25k for both teams' wages... A better idea would be to have an individual with a £25k prize fund... Run six or so of them a year, properly marketed and build up momentum to a 'big' end of season finale... Either run the sport in this country as a team sport properly meaning no guests, doubling up etc or not do it at all.. Follow the USA and Aussie and make it individual only if it's the only way to run it with integrity and credibility.. In its current guise it is 100% truly 'Donald Ducked'... Edited August 5, 2017 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 You can't blame Leicester but it will affect the crowd figures which will hurt Leicester and the racing will be even worse than usual. Leicester would beat Kings Lynn with their full team but at least it would be reasonably competitive, fans want racing not processions. Yes that's true but I got the feeling after Leicester's performances this season it didn't really matter and the fans just enjoyed all the 5-1's. Not often you see team riding these days. Regarding the crowd ~ I think a lot of tracks would be pleased with the amount of people there tonight. Probably not as big as usual but still pretty good. He is a championship No 1 and there isn't much of a difference. Thing is, though, he was utterly pathetic and I hope he was heavily fined. With the Grand Monarch in charge, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. That score really doesn't go anywhere near justifying just how important he was to this meeting. He fought for every point and his brilliant passing moves turned a ruin of a match into something almost worth watching. Star of the show by miles. Thomas and Lambert weren't interested, Garrity was worse and we had to put with Peter York and his inane drivel, for heavens sake. One interesting point : McGregor apparently refused permission for a sun break which caused several toys to be thrown out in the pits. Good summing up. Heaven knows what Garrity was up to but definitely something. He couldn't have been that unlucky to start 15 metres back three times. Thank you Mr McGregor for not allowing a sun break as the match was drawn out enough as it was with just 7 heats gone in an hour and a quarter ~ 8.45 when heat 8 started. I must be mellowing in my old age as I actually enjoyed hearing Peter York's voice again and thought he did okay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 I fail to see the logic of this meeting, am are apalled this was allowed to take place. The organisers don't seem to grasp the concept of the sport in that the sole purpose of putting on a meeting is to entertain the paying public. Leicester's race night will always represent a problem, trying to facilitate the crowded calender and the shortage of riders, but to put on a fiasco like last night was so embarrassingly unfair to everyone. Unfair to the Fans, unfair to the sport, unfair to Leicester, unfair to KL, infact unfair to all the teams and riders in the Premiership League. When this situation rises its head, there should be a planB to implement that would safe guard all concerned. Award the points to Leicester by all means and put on an alternative meeting instead. An individual meeting, or a handicap event or a 4 team effort. It wouldn't be hard to substitute this one sided affair and make it more interesting. At least the fans would go home happy and the Sport wouldn't have egg on its face like now. I was hoping this year would be the start of a new beginning for British Speedway, but it has turned out the worse for some time. Shortage of riders is highlighted as the main problem our sport faces and the BSPA has done nothing to remedy this. For any chance of surviving this sport needs a Major Overall. Reducing teams to 5 men would be a start. If teams are to use guests and RR then nominated days have to be used to avoid the constant clashes. It seems common sense rules the world.......... with the exception of British Speedway..... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 I fail to see the logic of this meeting, am are apalled this was allowed to take place. The organisers don't seem to grasp the concept of the sport in that the sole purpose of putting on a meeting is to entertain the paying public. Leicester's race night will always represent a problem, trying to facilitate the crowded calender and the shortage of riders, but to put on a fiasco like last night was so embarrassingly unfair to everyone. Unfair to the Fans, unfair to the sport, unfair to Leicester, unfair to KL, infact unfair to all the teams and riders in the Premiership League. When this situation rises its head, there should be a planB to implement that would safe guard all concerned. Award the points to Leicester by all means and put on an alternative meeting instead. An individual meeting, or a handicap event or a 4 team effort. It wouldn't be hard to substitute this one sided affair and make it more interesting. At least the fans would go home happy and the Sport wouldn't have egg on its face like now. I was hoping this year would be the start of a new beginning for British Speedway, but it has turned out the worse for some time. Shortage of riders is highlighted as the main problem our sport faces and the BSPA has done nothing to remedy this. For any chance of surviving this sport needs a Major Overall. Reducing teams to 5 men would be a start. If teams are to use guests and RR then nominated days have to be used to avoid the constant clashes. It seems common sense rules the world.......... with the exception of British Speedway..... I agree with most you say - but 5 man teams ? Water the sport down even more I'd have thought a better route is to get to the bottom as to why riders don't want to race here and try to find a way to sort it so they do want to race here - why is it bottom of almost every riders list to want to race here ? - we have to do something and fast this sport is dead man walking . I really hope with Buster as chairman of BSPA it was going to be a new beginning for our sport how wrong could I be ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 I agree with most you say - but 5 man teams ? Water the sport down even more I'd have thought a better route is to get to the bottom as to why riders don't want to race here and try to find a way to sort it so they do want to race here - why is it bottom of almost every riders list to want to race here ? - we have to do something and fast this sport is dead man walking . I really hope with Buster as chairman of BSPA it was going to be a new beginning for our sport how wrong could I be ? It's quite simple = Money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 something seriously needs changing within the bspa The appointment of Buster Chapman as Chairman of the BSPA has genuinely made things worse - that what it looks like from the outside at least. Bereft of sensible ideas that would tempt some old fans back and more new ones to give the sport a try. Nothing has happened , so far, on his watch , that improves speedway or shows it in a better light. It has not just been "shot in the foot" again it is writhing around in it's death throes. Thankfully no-one outside the sport hears of the latest insanities because the media ignores the existence of speedway, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) I agree with most you say - but 5 man teams ? Water the sport down even more I'd have thought a better route is to get to the bottom as to why riders don't want to race here and try to find a way to sort it so they do want to race here - why is it bottom of almost every riders list to want to race here ? - we have to do something and fast this sport is dead man walking . I really hope with Buster as chairman of BSPA it was going to be a new beginning for our sport how wrong could I be ? I believe trying to compete with those other countries has been our biggest downfall. The three main reason are 1, Financial; 2, Fixed race Night/ Number of fixtures; 3 State of our tracks.. Some of these can to addressed, but the main issue is Money... We can never compete with the corporate involvement or the number the fans generated in other countries.. For this reason I feel it best we get our own house in an order where we can run at a sustainable level..... Edited August 6, 2017 by GRW123 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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