Beowulf Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 I take it the Buzzword is irrelevant, now. Exactly what is your point, do you have one ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 Irrelevant, Poole won't be meeting Wolves in the play-offs, Swindon will top the league choose Poole and eliminate them. Then Belle Vue v Wolves which the Aces will win leaving a Swindon v Belle Vue final which the Robins will win. Good call. Put your money where your mouth is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 Good call. Put your money where your mouth is! 1. I don't gamble, it's a stupid thing to do. 2. How do you see the play-offs going ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 1. I don't gamble, it's a stupid thing to do. 2. How do you see the play-offs going ? 1. Good answer 2. I've been around enough not to make sweeping predictions with more than a third of the season to go (whisper that one to Ged). But it's fun to try, eh? Â No offence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 1. Good answer 2. I've been around enough not to make sweeping predictions with more than a third of the season to go (whisper that one to Ged). But it's fun to try, eh? Â No offence None taken, just looking at league tables and current form. Can't see anyone stoping Swindon. Belle Vue and Wolves have injury concerns and Poole are well........ Just poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 The key point, for me, is the home and away potential of the likely players. (Nerd alert) On average, the current top 4 can expect to score the following over 2 legs: Belle Vue 94 Swindon 95 Wolverhampton 97 Poole 91 Â But then, there are damn lies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 The key point, for me, is the home and away potential of the likely players. (Nerd alert) On average, the current top 4 can expect to score the following over 2 legs: Belle Vue 94 Swindon 95 Wolverhampton 97 Poole 91 Â But then, there are damn lies! How are you calculating these figures ? If for example for Wolves they include Mark Riss, well we don't have him as he is injured, and with all due respect Ellis Perks has been no adequate replacement, although to be fair his effort cannot be faulted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 How are you calculating these figures ? Simple averages based on points scored divided by number of meetings (home and away). Like all stats, these can only be treated as a guide. But mathematics is a powerful tool. Buck it at your peril. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Simple averages based on points scored divided by number of meetings (home and away). Like all stats, these can only be treated as a guide. But mathematics is a powerful tool. Buck it at your peril. Simple averages based on points scored divided by number of meetings (home and away). Like all stats, these can only be treated as a guide. But mathematics is a powerful tool. Buck it at your peril. And what if there is an imbalance between the number of meetings ridden home and away? By the way my day job is an accountant.😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 And what if there is an imbalance between the number of meetings ridden home and away? By the way my day job is an accountant. Taken care of. The averages are worked out for home meetings and away meetings separately and then added together. For example Wolverhampton has scored 522 points from 10 meetings at home; equivalent to 52 points per meeting. They have 356 points from 8 meetings away; equivalent to 45 points per meeting. Therefore 97 over two legs, home and away on average. By the way, I left Mensa because it was boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Poole (although with 3 home matches on the trot) are not in the play offs yet. Â I fully expect them to hold on to 4th place but Somerset are 6 back with 2 matches in hand and if Rye win at Poole Thursday (which i doubt) then they will be in the same position. Â Poole (apart from Lynn) are the current worst team in the league on form. Â I feel they have enough in hand with matches at home to Rye and Leicester in the next few weeks to keep 4th but they need to be careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Taken care of. The averages are worked out for home meetings and away meetings separately and then added together. For example Wolverhampton has scored 522 points from 10 meetings at home; equivalent to 52 points per meeting. They have 356 points from 8 meetings away; equivalent to 45 points per meeting. Therefore 97 over two legs, home and away on average. By the way, I left Mensa because it was boring. Ah past performance is no indicator of future performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 The key point, for me, is the home and away potential of the likely players. (Nerd alert) On average, the current top 4 can expect to score the following over 2 legs: Belle Vue 94 Swindon 95 Wolverhampton 97 Poole 91 Â But then, there are damn lies! Â How do Swindon compare since Musielak was signed? And has their average been inflated by meeting other teams when they were weakened? Â Regardless, the average score is irrelevant if, for example, Swindon always get thrashed at Monmore, or come the play offs someone is injured or off form or there are freak track conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Poole (although with 3 home matches on the trot) are not in the play offs yet. Â I fully expect them to hold on to 4th place but Somerset are 6 back with 2 matches in hand and if Rye win at Poole Thursday (which i doubt) then they will be in the same position. Â Poole (apart from Lynn) are the current worst team in the league on form. Â I feel they have enough in hand with matches at home to Rye and Leicester in the next few weeks to keep 4th but they need to be careful. I thought 'current form' was irrelevant with your meeting predictions wind-ups Gavan?! Thought it was purely down to how the team performed in previous fixtures Gavan?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 I thought 'current form' was irrelevant with your meeting predictions wind-ups Gavan?! Thought it was purely down to how the team performed in previous fixtures Gavan?! Never said that.  Wolves rode at home to Poole twice in 20 days so of course the current form of the riders was no different. And the previous fixture had a huge bearing as the teams were the same pretty much.  I said that if a team can win away , then when they go back to that track with a stronger 1-7 a few weeks later then i couldnt understand why Poole fans expected them to be thrashed at Wolves.  Poole thumped Rye House last time though Poole are weaker this time and Rye House stronger. You can use the past match as a guide surely  So of course you can use past performances as a guide, though in this case Poole last rode Rye in May so its more of a guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZodiac Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 wow I've seen some bad manager decisions in my time but to put Holder and Lahti in heat 15!!! I'm guessing Poole didn't want a point that was up for grabs!!!! Â Â Â That was what I thought too - as did many of the Wolves fans stood near me. The Poole fans stood behind us couldn't believe the selection either. Very Strange. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Why hans and eddie was not in heat 15 I'll never know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 (edited) I thought 'current form' was irrelevant with your meeting predictions wind-ups Gavan?! Thought it was purely down to how the team performed in previous fixtures Gavan?! Â Staggers me you and others can have a pop at Gavan when he was pretty much spot on with his pre match analysis. Edited August 8, 2017 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Â Staggers me you and others can have a pop at Gavan when he was pretty much spot on with his pre match analysis. Because Poole only rode at Wolves recently it wasnt to difficult to look at the match last night and compare it to the previous one. Â Im not stupid enough to say that 2 matches are alike as so many things can happen. Â But when a team goes back to the same track 20 days later with Kennett instead of KK and Wolves without Masters, i didnt think anyone needed to be a genius to have the opinion it would be close. Â Anyways it was so nice when Shovlar told me i had to knowledge only to completely prove him wrong!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted August 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Because Poole only rode at Wolves recently it wasnt to difficult to look at the match last night and compare it to the previous one. Â Im not stupid enough to say that 2 matches are alike as so many things can happen. Â But when a team goes back to the same track 20 days later with Kennett instead of KK and Wolves without Masters, i didnt think anyone needed to be a genius to have the opinion it would be close. Â Anyways it was so nice when Shovlar told me i had to knowledge only to completely prove him wrong!!! Tbh if it wasn't for the tactical we were well on the way to a 20 point loss! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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