Heads Gone 2018 Team Building

[BurntFaceMan]

The fan base has been eroded so far now that those missing have found other things to do.

Bringing in the best riders will just slow down the inevitable downturn and give us a slow death.

Get rid of the doubling up and go back to teams that fans can identify with for the season rather than this obsession with qualifying for the play offs even though TV demands this 'excitement'

for some reason.

 

Nonsense. Just because they've found other things to do doesn't mean they won't be back. It's all about the show and promoting the show.

[GWC]

 

Nonsense. Just because they've found other things to do doesn't mean they won't be back. It's all about the show and promoting the show.

Really! So you would happily keep the guest system and doubling up just so you can watch some Polish bloke score 6 points !

How are we going to bring all these so called stars back if they want to ride in Poland and Sweden next year?

[CookieIpswich]

Every year is the biggest AGM its ridiculous, BSPA have no ambition and can't think outside the box

[mrcts]

Every year is the biggest AGM its ridiculous, BSPA have no ambition and can't think outside the box

Ambition doesn't put bums on seats unfortunately.

The product is crap to be honest,I've been a Leicestet supporter since 1977 but I've only been twice this season,the first two matches at home and don't plan on going anymore.

[CookieIpswich]

The sport needs an overhaul but there is no ambition for change, they are just bleeding what they can out of it til it dies, not many care for the sports well being in say 5 years its all here and now attitude

[Skodaman]

Ambition doesn't put bums on seats unfortunately.

The product is crap to be honest,I've been a Leicestet supporter since 1977 but I've only been twice this season,the first two matches at home and don't plan on going anymore.

Why have you stopped going?

[MattK]

The sport needs an overhaul but there is no ambition for change, they are just bleeding what they can out of it til it dies, not many care for the sports well being in say 5 years its all here and now attitude

 

I think it is a bit unfair to say there's no ambition. It is easy to stand on the sidelines and criticises the BPSA for not attracting top named riders or for not amalgamating into one big league. The simple fact is, there's no evidence that either of those approaches will attract a significant increase in fan numbers and therefore be economically viable.

 

Therefore, we end up with name changes and re-brands, as they are seen as being better than nothing, but at the same time are unlikely to immediately bankrupt the current crop of promoters.

 

Yes, the ultimate outcome is a slow and painful death, but if it was you having to put your hand in your pocket at the end of every season to keep your club afloat, would you prefer to try and gradually steer speedway into a better place or go out in a blaze of glory with a single roll of the dice?

[Starman2006]

Every year is the biggest AGM its ridiculous, BSPA have no ambition and can't think outside the box

Nope the management commitee have absolutely no ambition at all. Sack the lot. In the meantime crowds will continue to dwindle.

Edited August 2, 2017 by Starman2006

[CookieIpswich]

 

I think it is a bit unfair to say there's no ambition. It is easy to stand on the sidelines and criticises the BPSA for not attracting top named riders or for not amalgamating into one big league. The simple fact is, there's no evidence that either of those approaches will attract a significant increase in fan numbers and therefore be economically viable.

 

Therefore, we end up with name changes and re-brands, as they are seen as being better than nothing, but at the same time are unlikely to immediately bankrupt the current crop of promoters.

 

Yes, the ultimate outcome is a slow and painful death, but if it was you having to put your hand in your pocket at the end of every season to keep your club afloat, would you prefer to try and gradually steer speedway into a better place or go out in a blaze of glory with a single roll of the dice?

Me saying they have no ambition is not related to attracting top level riders, the sport in this country cannot sustain them at present.

 

Where they lack ambition is setting the foundations for the sport to gradually grow and for there to be a sport in 5 or 10 years time, even potentially filled mainly by brits

 

It is very much bleed it dry til you can't bleed no more attitude, I get what you mean they have to run the clubs put money in but in my opinion what you've said just emphasises the fact the wrong people are running speedway

 

I've done promoting, I've sacrificed thousands of pounds for the long term goal and vision and I ended up selling my % to one of the biggest rivals in europe, I took a hit for a while but it was worth it

 

Problem is most involved in speedway will not be alive to watch it prosper

 

Those in the sport now have a duty to ensure the sport thrives for future generations and its failing miserably

[szkocjasid]

I would have a points building limit but for any changes I would change how averages are used.

 

For example lets say Rory Schlien

 

Signs for Belle Vue on 6.5 average during the season his average is 7.5

 

If Belle Vue want to remove Rory from the team then they can only use the signed average of 6.5 so this would stop riders increasing their averages meaning a successful season but being out of a job just to make up the numbers, if anyone wants to sign Rory then he would be transfered or signed mid season on his current average of 7.5

 

Now for example lets say Troy Batchelor starts for Belle Vue on a 7.5 average but obtains an average of 5.5, Belle Vue can change him for another rider up to 7.5 but someone else can sign Batchelor on his current 5.5 average

 

So replace a rider you use the starting average

 

To sign a rider you use the current average

 

BSPA simple have an average A for the starting average and a column B which is the current average

Wouldn't have stopped Rye House dropping Ellis Perks as their new team as a whoile came under 42 points, but I agree with the idea in principle!

[CookieIpswich]

Yeah but under these rules if they signed perks on a 3 but he obtained a 5 transfering him out they can only get in a 3 so it protects riders that add to their average

[MattK]

Wouldn't have stopped Rye House dropping Ellis Perks as their new team as a whoile came under 42 points, but I agree with the idea in principle!

 

On the flip side, there would also be no incentive for clubs to persevere with a poorly performing rider. Every club would cut the rider ASAP in order to replace them on their "old" higher average.

 

In turn, other clubs will them swarm over the rider to sign them on their "new" lower average.

 

The outcome would be a significant increase in the number of team changes - something people already complain about.

[CookieIpswich]

I understand but I think it would be less transfers out because the options to replace would be less, as nobody would release riders who are increasing their averages.

 

So perks this season would not be released as an example

[MattK]

I understand but I think it would be less transfers out because the options to replace would be less, as nobody would release riders who are increasing their averages.

 

So perks this season would not be released as an example

 

Perks is pretty much a one off. How many other riders who have improved their averages get replaced mid-season?

[CookieIpswich]

The averages this year were pretty skewed for some, I'll take a look at averages etc when I get time to see if it works

[ray c]

Then we get £25 a go that's me finished i could not afford that

[hyderd]

Personally I would open the whole league up and get rid of the points limit completely.

 

Teams can sign any rider they want. But every team should have 2 young British reserves plus a Brit in the top 5. The other four riders can be whoever the club wish to sign.

 

Sure, some teams would be stronger than others, as they are to a certain extent in Poland. Clubs would have to cut their cloth in respect of the revenue or sponsorship they can muster.

 

Take for example Leicester v Belle Vue.

 

Leicester.

Dudek

Lindgren

Kildemand

Llung

King

Bates

Newman

 

Belle Vue

Bjerre

Fricke

Woffinden

Thorsell

Harris

Bewley

Smith

 

Of course some teams would be weaker but when a big team come to town the crowds should be big and profitable. The underdogs beating the team of stars. What could be better? When Grudziadz beat Zielona Gora or Wroclaw the fans love it. Grudziadz are not the fashionable club in the Polish top flight.

 

We would need BT to sponsor the league but time to ditch the played out points limit and go the way of the Poles.

 

Just my opinion.

 

 

I know it's just an example, but Belle Vue without Cookie is like fish without chips.

[IronScorpion]

The averages this year were pretty skewed for some, I'll take a look at averages etc when I get time to see if it works

The old race format in the EL basically messed up the average system. Heat leaders riding against heat leaders2nd strings mostly, gave artificially low averages & reserves against reserves 3 times gave artificially high averages but when both average 6-7.00, who is the better rider.

 

The leagues now are nearly south v north & team strength similar bar 1 or 2 riders. To get a better division of leagues the PL build to 46/47 average with reserves no lower than a 4 average. The CL build to similar to now (40 average), but with doubling up/down seemingly impossible to prevent but must be cut back, any rider having a PL of over 7.5 CANNOT ride in the CL. Riders can only double in PL & CL or CL & NL

 

To keep youth coming through, natural progression of riders when good enough to move to an upper league. NL riders can only ride in CL if they have achieved a 8.5/9.00 average.

 

To keep doubling to a minimum, 6 man teams could be used meaning team building figures drop, as this year must be the worst year for the amount of riders doubling up/down & the use/miss-use of guests.

[Grachan]

 

Perks is pretty much a one off. How many other riders who have improved their averages get replaced mid-season?

 

Troy Bachelor.

[CookieIpswich]

There should only be one professional league in my opinion, the prem and champ being nudged closer has damaged the sport more.