Heads Gone 2018 Team Building

[Phil The Ace]

I love how I just sit here thinking what new strange way can we make team building different and maybe improving teams by getting rid of averages.

 

Let's do a draft with every rider involved. Not just reserves like they did a few years ago.

 

Get a big long list of riders from near and far who want to ride over here in top league. Then sort them all out into group 1 riders (no1s), group 2 riders (2nd HL), and so on and so on. This means only riders who want to ride here and give our league 100% commitment otherwise you sign some riders who are just here for the money because they have had the carrot dangled in front of them.

 

So there is 7 groups of riders.

 

Team that finished bottom gets first pick for no1s and work your way through to the winners getting last pick, then the winners get 1st pick of the 1st reserve and so on and so on.

 

Won't work I know. But how fun would it be. It could be live streamed. £5 viewing fee. Easy money.

 

But somehow work out a way where a team can bypass a draft pick but only to pick a rider that's an asset to the club.

 

Also introduce a salary cap, so group 1 riders are paid same points money, same with group 2 riders and so on.

 

 

Heads gone but I love it

[CookieIpswich]

I would have a points building limit but for any changes I would change how averages are used.

 

For example lets say Rory Schlien

 

Signs for Belle Vue on 6.5 average during the season his average is 7.5

 

If Belle Vue want to remove Rory from the team then they can only use the signed average of 6.5 so this would stop riders increasing their averages meaning a successful season but being out of a job just to make up the numbers, if anyone wants to sign Rory then he would be transfered or signed mid season on his current average of 7.5

 

Now for example lets say Troy Batchelor starts for Belle Vue on a 7.5 average but obtains an average of 5.5, Belle Vue can change him for another rider up to 7.5 but someone else can sign Batchelor on his current 5.5 average

 

So replace a rider you use the starting average

 

To sign a rider you use the current average

 

BSPA simple have an average A for the starting average and a column B which is the current average

[Gunner85]

Pointless thread

[Phil The Ace]

Pointless thread

Pointless post on a pointless thread

[Daniel Smith]

I would have a points building limit but for any changes I would change how averages are used.

 

For example lets say Rory Schlien

 

Signs for Belle Vue on 6.5 average during the season his average is 7.5

 

If Belle Vue want to remove Rory from the team then they can only use the signed average of 6.5 so this would stop riders increasing their averages meaning a successful season but being out of a job just to make up the numbers, if anyone wants to sign Rory then he would be transfered or signed mid season on his current average of 7.5

 

Now for example lets say Troy Batchelor starts for Belle Vue on a 7.5 average but obtains an average of 5.5, Belle Vue can change him for another rider up to 7.5 but someone else can sign Batchelor on his current 5.5 average

 

So replace a rider you use the starting average

 

To sign a rider you use the current average

 

BSPA simple have an average A for the starting average and a column B which is the current average

 

Like it a lot

 

The only issue I see is if a rider gets a long term injury it's harsh on the club if said rider has upped their average.

[poolebolton]

Draft would not work. Simply because of assets. Everyone says assets are useless but clubs still invest and take loan fees. Swindon and Poole make a fortune(in British speedway terms) just from fees!

[DC2]

Let's do a draft with every rider involved.

 

Get a big long list of riders from near and far who want to ride over here in top league. Then sort them all out into group 1 riders (no1s), group 2 riders (2nd HL), and so on and so on. This means only riders who want to ride here and give our league 100% commit

No need to have groups, just have one long list of riders. Bottom team picks first and top team eighth and keep going until the teams are full.

 

You could have a fixed pay scale with the first rider picked by each team paid the most, down to the seventh paid the least.

 

Assets should be ignored.

 

Alternatively, if fans want continuity of teams, each team could be allowed to keep four riders from the previous season and then start the pick.

[SteveLyric2]

I love how I just sit here thinking what new strange way can we make team building different and maybe improving teams by getting rid of averages.

 

Let's do a draft with every rider involved. Not just reserves like they did a few years ago.

 

Get a big long list of riders from near and far who want to ride over here in top league. Then sort them all out into group 1 riders (no1s), group 2 riders (2nd HL), and so on and so on. This means only riders who want to ride here and give our league 100% commitment otherwise you sign some riders who are just here for the money because they have had the carrot dangled in front of them.

 

So there is 7 groups of riders.

 

Team that finished bottom gets first pick for no1s and work your way through to the winners getting last pick, then the winners get 1st pick of the 1st reserve and so on and so on.

 

Won't work I know. But how fun would it be. It could be live streamed. £5 viewing fee. Easy money.

 

But somehow work out a way where a team can bypass a draft pick but only to pick a rider that's an asset to the club.

 

Also introduce a salary cap, so group 1 riders are paid same points money, same with group 2 riders and so on.

 

 

Heads gone but I love it

Your suggestion puts all the 'control' with the promoters. It falls down when selected riders don't wish to ride for the team/promoter that picks them - for whatever reason, race night, sponsors etc etc.

[Beowulf]

Draft would not work. Simply because of assets. Everyone says assets are useless but clubs still invest and take loan fees. Swindon and Poole make a fortune(in British speedway terms) just from fees!

 

Just so I understand your point, who do Poole have out on loan this year ?

[noggin]

 

Just so I understand your point, who do Poole have out on loan this year ?

 

And Swindon for that matter.

[DC2]

Just so I understand your point, who do Poole have out on loan this year ?

Ellis Perks for one. But what have Poole actually ever done for him?

[Steve Shovlar]

Personally I would open the whole league up and get rid of the points limit completely.

 

Teams can sign any rider they want. But every team should have 2 young British reserves plus a Brit in the top 5. The other four riders can be whoever the club wish to sign.

 

Sure, some teams would be stronger than others, as they are to a certain extent in Poland. Clubs would have to cut their cloth in respect of the revenue or sponsorship they can muster.

 

Take for example Leicester v Belle Vue.

 

Leicester.

Dudek

Lindgren

Kildemand

Llung

King

Bates

Newman

 

Belle Vue

Bjerre

Fricke

Woffinden

Thorsell

Harris

Bewley

Smith

 

Of course some teams would be weaker but when a big team come to town the crowds should be big and profitable. The underdogs beating the team of stars. What could be better? When Grudziadz beat Zielona Gora or Wroclaw the fans love it. Grudziadz are not the fashionable club in the Polish top flight.

 

We would need BT to sponsor the league but time to ditch the played out points limit and go the way of the Poles.

 

Just my opinion.

[CookieIpswich]

 

Like it a lot

 

The only issue I see is if a rider gets a long term injury it's harsh on the club if said rider has upped their average.

For any long term injuries a replacement can be sort using the start average for that rider

 

Maybe harsh if a rider puts two points on his average then gets injured but at least its the same for all

[poolebolton]

Personally I would open the whole league up and get rid of the points limit completely.

 

Teams can sign any rider they want. But every team should have 2 young British reserves plus a Brit in the top 5. The other four riders can be whoever the club wish to sign.

 

Sure, some teams would be stronger than others, as they are to a certain extent in Poland. Clubs would have to cut their cloth in respect of the revenue or sponsorship they can muster.

 

Take for example Leicester v Belle Vue.

 

Leicester.

Dudek

Lindgren

Kildemand

Llung

King

Bates

Newman

 

Belle Vue

Bjerre

Fricke

Woffinden

Thorsell

Harris

Bewley

Smith

 

Of course some teams would be weaker but when a big team come to town the crowds should be big and profitable. The underdogs beating the team of stars. What could be better? When Grudziadz beat Zielona Gora or Wroclaw the fans love it. Grudziadz are not the fashionable club in the Polish top flight.

 

We would need BT to sponsor the league but time to ditch the played out points limit and go the way of the Poles.

 

Just my opinion.

 

 

Agreed, open the league up! League is crap at the moment and is going to go bust unless you start getting good riders over here and British riders aren't good enough!

[CookieIpswich]

Opening it up won't attract the top riders there is no money in this country for them

[Phil The Ace]

Opening it up won't attract the top riders there is no money in this country for them

And if we did open it up and we had teams like the polish league do then do you think we would get increased crowds at £18 speedway.

 

I don't think we will

[Perton Wolf]

Whilst the standard of the league is decreasing each season, I think fans can just about stomach if it means the sport in the UK becomes more financially and sustainable and more Brits coming through. However, the biggest problem is that the prices aren't reflecting that, very little change over the last few years and if anything, a slight increase to see an inferior product. It makes no sense from a consumer or business POV.

[BurntFaceMan]

I suggest we use a sorting hat. Who's in?

Whilst the standard of the league is decreasing each season, I think fans can just about stomach if it means the sport in the UK becomes more financially and sustainable and more Brits coming through. However, the biggest problem is that the prices aren't reflecting that, very little change over the last few years and if anything, a slight increase to see an inferior product. It makes no sense from a consumer or business POV.

 

It doesn't work that way unfortunately.

 

Whilst some might be able to stomach it, a large amount will not. Couple a price drop with an attendance drop and you are then faced with a much smaller income. This drop in income would result in a complete loss of foreign riders. You then have a very poorly attended league, and a lack of foreign competition for the up and coming Brit's to develop against. You then end up in a situation similar to the Americans which is that there are then very few higher standard riders to practise against and very little chance to practice on foreign shale. This results in a complete stall in development and very very few British riders ever making it to international or grand prix standard.

 

This dream of almost "starting over" will simply not work. The drop in attendances are near enough already irreversible. Although some will be happy with a lower standard of racing, many will not. And I think this season has demonstrated what I and others have been trying to warn about for the past 10 years.

2017 was in my opinion a very serious tipping point. This years AGM will be perhaps the most important AGM in history, and decisions made now will affect the entire future of British speedway. If some bold and brave moves are made, the league stands chance of a slow recovery. If the wrong moves are made, like further "cost cutting exercises", then a future of any significant British speedway presence is all but over.

[GWC]

The fan base has been eroded so far now that those missing have found other things to do.

Bringing in the best riders will just slow down the inevitable downturn and give us a slow death.

Get rid of the doubling up and go back to teams that fans can identify with for the season rather than this obsession with qualifying for the play offs even though TV demands this 'excitement'

for some reason.

Edited August 2, 2017 by GWC

[MattK]

 

And Swindon for that matter.

 

Zengota at Poole, Sedgmen at Belle Vue/Rye House - and I can never work out of THJ is a Swindon or a Poole asset