SteveLyric2 Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 In the Speedway Star version of the interview with Holder today (rather than the speedwaygp version) it states that Holder has no issues with a visa in 2018 and will be back ready to race in the Spring - after he has appealed. Agreed he wasn't present at the initial hearing but for some to simply say 'he didn't turn up' is pure argumentative speculation - and I'm one of those who agreed he should have got a ban but NOT to stop him from riding, bearing in mind he couldn't have re-signed for Poole this year anyway!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 In the Speedway Star version of the interview with Holder today (rather than the speedwaygp version) it states that Holder has no issues with a visa in 2018 and will be back ready to race in the Spring - after he has appealed. Agreed he wasn't present at the initial hearing but for some to simply say 'he didn't turn up' is pure argumentative speculation - and I'm one of those who agreed he should have got a ban but NOT to stop him from riding, bearing in mind he couldn't have re-signed for Poole this year anyway!!! I read the SS article as well. Quite apart from the rights or wrongs of what Holder did of didn't do, it reinforces the fact that Chapman is not the person to be chairman of the body responsible for the day to day running of the sport in this country. He will continue to divide not unite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Hes had his chance to put his side of events over and didn`t turn up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Imagine being banned for bringing sport into disrepute, not turning up to the hearing and then slagging off the sport and saying you're going to appeal. 1. He has continued to bring the sport into disrepute. 2. If he couldn't be bothered to turn up to the hearing an appeal is gong to laugh at him The guy is mad. I'll laugh when they extend his ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Imagine being banned for bringing sport into disrepute, not turning up to the hearing and then slagging off the sport and saying you're going to appeal. 1. He has continued to bring the sport into disrepute. 2. If he couldn't be bothered to turn up to the hearing an appeal is gong to laugh at him The guy is mad. I'll laugh when they extend his ban. I don't know if there is a reason why he missed the hearing,but he ain't doing himself any favours the way he talks about the sport.The hole he started digging looks like its getting deeper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 I think he should go away and come back when he has more respect for British speedway 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 You really are a nasty piece of work. As I have said to you several times before - if you have nothing nice to say best not say anything! Then he'd have nothing to say at all. I remember a time when paperboys had more respect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Don't get where there would/should be an issue. If Poole can (or IF) they announce Woryna for 2018 then why can't they announce Holder ??. He is after all a Poole asset who was on loan to Kings Lynn for 2017. If there was any potential blocking by the BSPA/SCB then to me it is obvious insider rigging from both parties to deliberately try and block him riding in UK. Someone else has already responded to the rest of your message, but there there is a big difference between a Pole, and guy who needs a working visa which needs to follow strict guidelines before it's issued. My original message was about saying about the continuity of his visa that someone else mentioned. Any "blocking" as you put it wouldnt be because of any paranoia of rigging as you suspect, simply because why on earth would they ok visas for the following year anyway when they don't even know whats gonna be happening ? Also, i imagine if Buster is as bitter as you lot think, he will have no doubt informed the relevant bodies and Holder is on his 60 days notice already, which i imagine may impact also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 I suspect Holder didnt turn up for his discipinary because he has contempt for British speedway authorities. Then someone (one of his mates) said to him why dont you appeal. He thought thats a good idea, so thats what he is talking about doing. Crackers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Holder never turned up for his hearing so it's no wonder he got the ban that he did ..not sure why hes going to appeal if he has such a low opinion of UK speedway . 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) Agreed he wasn't present at the initial hearing but for some to simply say 'he didn't turn up' is pure argumentative speculation It's late and I have had a 14 hour working day and tired so maybe I am reading wrong, but what's the difference? He didn't turn up and wasn't present amounts to the same thing doesn't it? Edited August 17, 2017 by TheReturn 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starboy118 Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 It's late and I have had a 14 hour working day and tired so maybe I am reading wrong, but what's the difference? He didn't turn up and wasn't present amounts to the same thing doesn't it? Perhaps he turned up but decided not to be present because the floor was slippery and too dangerous to walk on! 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 Greg Hancock is not European and has not had any issues. Zagar and Vaculik and Emil are not from EU countries. Well you are half right. Both Slovenia (Zagar) and Slovakia (Vaculik) are EU-countries and have been since 2004.It's time for you to buy a new map. However I do agree with your point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 Skidder1, on 17 Aug 2017 - 7:22 PM, said: In the Speedway Star version of the interview with Holder today (rather than the speedwaygp version) it states that Holder has no issues with a visa in 2018 and will be back ready to race in the Spring - after he has appealed. Agreed he wasn't present at the initial hearing but for some to simply say 'he didn't turn up' is pure argumentative speculation - and I'm one of those who agreed he should have got a ban but NOT to stop him from riding, bearing in mind he couldn't have re-signed for Poole this year anyway!!! If he doesn't pay the fine he isn't riding anywhere in the UK next year....like it or not British speedway is bigger than any one rider, everyone saying that riders should stand up and make a stance, could the same not be said for the one's who actually pay the bills etc, the promoters? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 If he doesn't pay the fine he isn't riding anywhere in the UK next year....like it or not British speedway is bigger than any one rider, everyone saying that riders should stand up and make a stance, could the same not be said for the one's who actually pay the bills etc, the promoters?agree l know British speedway is in the doldrums at the moment but it is still bigger than Chris holder or any other rider come to that 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 If he doesn't pay the fine he isn't riding anywhere in the UK next year....like it or not British speedway is bigger than any one rider, everyone saying that riders should stand up and make a stance, could the same not be said for the one's who actually pay the bills etc, the promoters? Hasn't it been said the ban doesn't start until the fine is paid. Don't really see what he thinks he will gain by going to appeal, sometimes if the authorities think the appeal is flippant they extend the ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 (edited) Hasn't it been said the ban doesn't start until the fine is paid. Don't really see what he thinks he will gain by going to appeal, sometimes if the authorities think the appeal is flippant they extend the ban. It has been talked about on here but the ban has started - and the fine will need to be paid before he can restart racing - all subject to his appeal! Edited August 18, 2017 by Steve0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 It has been talked about on here but the ban has started - and the fine will need to be paid before he can restart racing - all subject to his appeal! Has it though? I know he was banned initially for 28 days but I wonder if the further 9 months actually begin once the fine is paid. Seems abit daft to give him a 9 month ban when it's only going to effect the very start of next season. I seem to recall reading Danny Bird is still banned, after receiving a 12 month ban... because he never paid the fine, so the ban hasn't technically started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 Has it though? I know he was banned initially for 28 days but I wonder if the further 9 months actually begin once the fine is paid. Seems abit daft to give him a 9 month ban when it's only going to effect the very start of next season. I seem to recall reading Danny Bird is still banned, after receiving a 12 month ban... because he never paid the fine, so the ban hasn't technically started. Yes that is what I was getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 It has been talked about on here but the ban has started - and the fine will need to be paid before he can restart racing - all subject to his appeal! The ban starts from the day of the offence and he has 60 days form the date of the hearing to pay the fine. if the fine is not paid within 60 then the ban starts from the day the fine is paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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