Pinny Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) I dont think they serve any purpose at all. Another idea to make a quick buck. Yep without British speedway none would have got to and been where they are were. But on the flip side, had you been professional at something wouldn't you have appreciated the help like Darcy has got ?? My guess it would be Edited August 14, 2017 by Pinny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 http://speedwaygp.com/news/article/5987/holder-no-regrets-over-safety Holder's response is about what you'd expect but it doesn't come across as doing him many favours, the appeal should be interesting anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 http://speedwaygp.com/news/article/5987/holder-no-regrets-over-safety Holder's response is about what you'd expect but it doesn't come across as doing him many favours, the appeal should be interesting anyway.So it's definitely one sided then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) so basically its garbage and he can't be doing with garbage. I wonder how many British promoters would take a chance on Holder going forward? Just to summarise, both sides are winners, Chapman has off loaded Holder and Holder doesn't have to ride for Chapman. Edited August 17, 2017 by Odds On 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 http://speedwaygp.com/news/article/5987/holder-no-regrets-over-safety Holder's response is about what you'd expect but it doesn't come across as doing him many favours, the appeal should be interesting anyway. He's taken the Hancock 'I am did this for the benefit of everyone else' approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 http://speedwaygp.com/news/article/5987/holder-no-regrets-over-safety Holder's response is about what you'd expect but it doesn't come across as doing him many favours, the appeal should be interesting anyway. I do see Holder's point, he is an ex WC and knows a bad track when he see's one. Forget who is right or wrong but its unfair that Chapman wanted to fine, ban and stuff Holder for this season yet he sits on the management panel. Its all loaded one way as judge and jury. It's never going to be a fair process of two sides for prosecution and defense with an independent judge ruling on any possible punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 I do see Holder's point, he is an ex WC and knows a bad track when he see's one. Forget who is right or wrong but its unfair that Chapman wanted to fine, ban and stuff Holder for this season yet he sits on the management panel. Its all loaded one way as judge and jury. It's never going to be a fair process of two sides for prosecution and defense with an independent judge ruling on any possible punishment. Buster is BSPA chairman, he has no power over who the SCB suspend or ban. The only control he had was to sack Holder and plenty of riders have been sacked over the years fo ding nothing wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 I think he makes a point. Holder says he didn’t just take a stand for his own benefit. He added: “I remember when I first started. When you’re not an established rider, your voice doesn’t get heard. I remember when we raced bad tracks and I’d just get on with it and do my best. “But when a top, established guy would say something, you’d think ‘thank God someone said something. Now something is going to happen.’ Obviously he (Chapman) has a problem with listening to people, but that’s his deal.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Chapman needs to walk. Chris will win his appeal as riders will stick up for him. Huckenbeck and Lambert didnt bother going out in a Heat that night either. Wasnt just Chris. Just Buster being a brat because he doesnt want us to sign Chris on a low 7 something average next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Chapman needs to walk. Chris will win his appeal as riders will stick up for him. They didn't appear to that night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 They didn't appear to that night. TBF Huckenbeck and Lambert both failed to turn up at the tapes for one Heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Chapman needs to walk. Chris will win his appeal as riders will stick up for him. Huckenbeck and Lambert didnt bother going out in a Heat that night either. Wasnt just Chris. Just Buster being a brat because he doesnt want us to sign Chris on a low 7 something average next season. Maybe that was Matt Fords plan, he couldnt have CH this year as the team points were too high, Could it have been something like "there you are Chris, KLynn will have you, just drop your average this year and come back here for 2018 on a low average". If the plan was anything like that then Pooles bubble has been burst and I cant blame Chapman if he saw what the plan was and was not going to go along with it. Poole has worked the system over the years, all praise given to their leader for that by Poole fans, but when someone else catches on that person gets derided, and by whom - a Poole Pirates Fanatic. "What goes round comes round." is one saying I can think of, another "you reap what you sow". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Chapman needs to walk. Chris will win his appeal as riders will stick up for him. Huckenbeck and Lambert didnt bother going out in a Heat that night either. Wasnt just Chris. Just Buster being a brat because he doesnt want us to sign Chris on a low 7 something average next season. Poole can still sign him. He has 60 days to find employment. If he agrees terms with another club for next year that counts and will ensure the continuity of his visa. If he doesn't he has to sit out a year and re apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Poole can still sign him. He has 60 days to find employment. If he agrees terms with another club for next year that counts and will ensure the continuity of his visa. If he doesn't he has to sit out a year and re apply. Probably already signed for 2018 then along with Kacper Woryna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRushbrook Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Surely Chris Holder wouldn't even dream of riding here next year?? Why on earth would he associate himself with such 'garbage'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Surely Chris Holder wouldn't even dream of riding here next year?? Why on earth would he associate himself with such 'garbage'? Not garbage at Poole and has to ride here. Neil as manager. Chris riding in the same team as his brother and Brady = Happy Chris and great team spirit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 I think he makes a point. Holder says he didn’t just take a stand for his own benefit. He added: “I remember when I first started. When you’re not an established rider, your voice doesn’t get heard. I remember when we raced bad tracks and I’d just get on with it and do my best. “But when a top, established guy would say something, you’d think ‘thank God someone said something. Now something is going to happen.’ Obviously he (Chapman) has a problem with listening to people, but that’s his deal.” I'm all for riders having their say, and if the track was suspect then the riders have the right to refuse to ride. But it needs to be done as a group decision. Single riders can't be allowed to dictate if and when they ride... After a group decision it was decided to carry on with the meeting. Chris lost all his respect for the way he acted. He could have voiced his concern and continued his riding. Nobody was asking him to do himself harm. There were only 2 accidents that night....... Nobody else stuck up for Holder and agreed with him... Following on from the previous nights success at Poole, this was the biggest crowd of the season. All paying good money to see the Stars do the double over their fieriest of rivals. The last thing they wanted to see was their top men pull out of the meeting. Any chance of success disappeared with Holder and Batch's attitude... Not once has Holder mentioned the fans or apologised to them, all he is concerned about is his arguments with Buster. Like I said, he has lost all my respect, If he rides in UK again then so be it, but he wont be getting any of my money..... 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) Buster is BSPA chairman, he has no power over who the SCB suspend or ban. The only control he had was to sack Holder and plenty of riders have been sacked over the years fo ding nothing wrong. I'm sure he's had a word in the right ear. Make a stand etc etc. Edited August 17, 2017 by marky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Well said Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Poole can still sign him. He has 60 days to find employment. If he agrees terms with another club for next year that counts and will ensure the continuity of his visa. If he doesn't he has to sit out a year and re apply. Hmm.. i will bow to those with a little more knowledge of the visa regs, but surely it can't be as simple as that. For a start off, the application has to be endorsed by the sports governing body does it not ? I'd be astonished if the BSPA approved something like that bearing in the rules of competition technically aren't agreed on yet.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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