Popular Post B.V 72 Posted August 1, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 (edited) Just a point about Holder and Poole, there is no way Poole could re-sign Holder this season having not included him in this season's starting 1-7. However I think its petty on the part of Buster that neither Holder nor Batch have any chance to talk with other potential employers!! Not a Buster fan in any way but he is off some fans getting a lot of stick for what he has done and for the timing of the move. But think about it Batch and Holder are upset and badly done to and are letting all the world know about it.Not bothered about being sacked by Kings lynn a club they must have really pd off.But thinking about themselves they thought it would be fairer if buster had let them know a day or so earlier so they had chance to find another club. So that they could have taken the jobs of another two riders who have done no wrong to their club leaving them in the same boat as they are in now and they would not have batted an eye lid about it. So whos worse them or Buster ?. Edited August 1, 2017 by B.V 72 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 I've tried to draw the conversation to this on a number of occassions, and have noted several hissy fits from riders involved on the night on social media regarding the situation. Here goes again. All the riders apparently thought the track was unsafe on the night according to J Holder, who is now claiming as much on twitter. Why didn't he, and others, back C Holder up on the night instead of leaving him to carry the can on his own? Total lack of rider solidarity. It's totally baffling to me. We've been told by several posters that Poole wanted the points as they could see certain riders were not up for it. Points over safety? Anyway riders asked for a track grade and got it with Hans saying the track was fine after that happened. Holder and Batchelor still went home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 I've tried to draw the conversation to this on a number of occassions, and have noted several hissy fits from riders involved on the night on social media regarding the situation. Here goes again. All the riders apparently thought the track was unsafe on the night according to J Holder, who is now claiming as much on twitter. Why didn't he, and others, back C Holder up on the night instead of leaving him to carry the can on his own? Total lack of rider solidarity. It's totally baffling to me. Baffles the heck out of me as well, Well no it doesn't actually speedway riders in the main are a selfish lot, if it doesn't affect them personally or in the pocket they don't want to know that's why several attempts have been made to set up an effective Riders Association and have all failed. IF tracks are as dangerous as some riders claim, silencers are as dangerous as some claim it would seem the sensible thing for all the riders to get together and try to thrash out solutions with the authorities (whoever they may be). Any statement from Chris Holder yet? Any big howls of protest from other promoters about Chapman's actions yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilali Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Fair play to Chapman for screwing these two over, long overdue in my opinion. Both of them seem to think Speedway in this country owes them one. Yes, speedway in GB is a shambles I am not doubting that, but both have been very vocal in slagging it off plenty yet come out crying when they cant ride here for the rest of the season. Holder has been frankly garbage this season, his massive ego maybe just caught up with him. If Hancock hadn't got injured his younger brother could have potentially taken his place in the Torun side. I mean how ego denting must it have been to have been dropped for Tungate in Sweden two weeks ago . Hopefully we don't have to see these two back in Speedway in this country and if that affects their visas then more the better. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 (edited) Fair play to Chapman for screwing these two over, long overdue in my opinion. Both of them seem to think Speedway in this country owes them one. Yes, speedway in GB is a shambles I am not doubting that, but both have been very vocal in slagging it off plenty yet come out crying when they cant ride here for the rest of the season. Holder has been frankly garbage this season, his massive ego maybe just caught up with him. If Hancock hadn't got injured his younger brother could have potentially taken his place in the Torun side. I mean how ego denting must it have been to have been dropped for Tungate in Sweden two weeks ago . Hopefully we don't have to see these two back in Speedway in this country and if that affects their visas then more the better. Do you know the full story then, or you just jumping on the hate bandwagon ? you are denying riders a living. Edited August 1, 2017 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Do you know the full story then ? you are denying riders a living. Well they'll have more time to play on their jet skis and trials bikes then won't they Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Do you know the full story then, or you just jumping on the hate bandwagon ? you are denying riders a living. They still ride in Poland and wherever else, how many Brits make a living riding in Aussie? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Well they'll have more time to play on their jet skis and trials bikes then won't they Still denying them a living. Like i said in a lot earlier post they both should have been heavily fined and told happens again yr gone. They still ride in Poland and wherever else, how many Brits make a living riding in Aussie? None at a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Still denying them a living. Like i said in a lot earlier post they both should have been heavily fined and told happens again yr gone. None at a guess. That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. Still denying them a living. Like i said in a lot earlier post they both should have been heavily fined and told happens again yr gone. None at a guess. and had they done it again after the cut off, Lynn would have been up the creek without the proverbial paddle. At the end of the day the club, any club even Poole, comes before the egos of any individual rider. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. and had they done it again after the cut off, Lynn would have been up the creek without the proverbial paddle. At the end of the day the club, any club even Poole, comes before the egos of any individual rider. Lynn havn't replaced well have they.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 At the end of the day the club, any club even Poole, comes before the egos of any individual rider. Exactly... If I refused to do my job (when colleagues all around where doing it) then made veiled digs about statements on social media I would be rightly sacked... and I wouldn't expect any kind of favour from my boss in the process of them sacking me or any help from them in helping me get another job. Batch situation I am not sure about, but Holder had it coming from what I can tell. Does British speedway need all these Aussies? Sure we will be poorer without them short term maybe, but there would be a lot less whinging and the sport would survive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starboy118 Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Baffles the heck out of me as well, Well no it doesn't actually speedway riders in the main are a selfish lot, if it doesn't affect them personally or in the pocket they don't want to know that's why several attempts have been made to set up an effective Riders Association and have all failed. IF tracks are as dangerous as some riders claim, silencers are as dangerous as some claim it would seem the sensible thing for all the riders to get together and try to thrash out solutions with the authorities (whoever they may be). Any statement from Chris Holder yet? Any big howls of protest from other promoters about Chapman's actions yet? Holder and Batchelor got exactly what they were looking for; i.e. a way out of King's Lynn. Pity for them they were rumbled and it hasn't worked out how they expected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Lynn havn't replaced well have they.. In what respect? Average wise possibly not but attitude wise it's 200% better. I don't give a tinkers cuss about averages and reputations, winning doesn't bother me in the slightest. All I want is to see four committed riders in a race, the result is immaterial. I concede that some people are just glory hunters and want to win, that's their perogative. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Holder and Batchelor got exactly what they were looking for; i.e. a way out of King's Lynn. Pity for them they were rumbled and it hasn't worked out how they expected. Meaning what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Lynn havn't replaced well have they.. well neither have we, but hey ho thats sport, thats life i can accept it.big fan of mf but this yr he would accept its not gone as hoped and for once hes got a lot wrong,but still got my 100%support 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Still denying them a living. Like i said in a lot earlier post they both should have been heavily fined and told happens again yr gone. None at a guess. How could you have heavily fined Batchelor? He was signed by the doctor at the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Not a Buster fan in any way but he is off some fans getting a lot of stick for what he has done and for the timing of the move. But think about it Batch and Holder are upset and badly done to and are letting all the world know about it.Not bothered about being sacked by Kings lynn a club they must have really pd off.But thinking about themselves they thought it would be fairer if buster had let them know a day or so earlier so they had chance to find another club. So that they could have taken the jobs of another two riders who have done no wrong to their club leaving them in the same boat as they are in now and they would not have batted an eye lid about it. So whos worse them or Buster ?. I was thinking the same myself. But speedway is dog eats dog. Riders must replace their out of form or injured mates on a regular basis. I do think Mr Chapman has been very spiteful and perhaps abused his senior position. Maybe the BSPA could have asked "are you doing this for the right reasons". It doesn't look good when a promoter appears to be determined to openly shaft two riders. And he might get payback at a later stage of his own Lynn career. Riders know he'll stop at nothing but he now leaves himself open to retribution and riders will stick together. I'd be watching my back if in his shoes. Maybe a sacking would have been enough and then move on. Reading Batchelor's statement, if all true about injury and his average, he would have every right to go through the courts for unfair dismissal. The doctor signed him off so there is no argument about why he dropped out the meeting. I can't see what he has done wrong assuming his statement is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Reading Batchelor's statement, if all true about injury and his average, he would have every right to go through the courts for unfair dismissal. The doctor signed him off so there is no argument about why he dropped out the meeting. I can't see what he has done wrong assuming his statement is correct. I would imagine with a fixed term employment contract which they must have in speedway or some variation of, there will be break clauses both ways otherwise there were be dozens of claims of unfair dismissal before now. Also I'm guessing the 2 year rule which prevents folk from claim unf dismissal in the real world would also apply here. So basically he's got no chance of a claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starboy118 Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Exactly... If I refused to do my job (when colleagues all around where doing it) then made veiled digs about statements on social media I would be rightly sacked... and I wouldn't expect any kind of favour from my boss in the process of them sacking me or any help from them in helping me get another job. Batch situation I am not sure about, but Holder had it coming from what I can tell. Does British speedway need all these Aussies? Sure we will be poorer without them short term maybe, but there would be a lot less whinging and the sport would survive. Would anyone give either of them a reference for their next job? Meaning what. Think about it then have an "educated" guess 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Promoters don't need a reason to terminate a Riders contract, they have absolutely no Rights. The Promoter owns you until 31st October, totally unfair system, but it's their boys club, and you play by their Rules, whenever they decide to change them. I know one Rider who was sold to another Club, without even being told, wasn't until the end of the season that his old Promoter told him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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