Holder Sacked

[Starboy118]

I will be amazed if Chris H isn't back at Poole next year. Not only because its his first love for a UK track but also because of personal reasons as it keeps him close to his son.

 

I question if people really appreciate the toll that Darcy's accident and the split in his personal life may have affected him as an individual. The latter part of 2015 and through 2016 were difficult times just coming to terms with both situations let alone trying to get over them and moving on. At least he didn't put 2 fingers up to UK as most did incl our top UK rider.

 

However from a riding perspective their seem to have been a number of established top World Class riders who have struggled this year on their equipment that seems to revolve around tuning. Guys such as Kildermand - Saifutinov - Piotr Pawliski - Kasparzack to name just a few, and many others have had crazy up and down seasons with far to many low scores by their standards. Its not only C.Holder who has struggled although he stands out riding in UK.

 

I cannot believe that he can have as bad a season next season as this. He is not bogged down by multiple league racing now and with Torun's season almost over (2 meetings as way out of play offs) plus some more Swedish and what GP's are left he can perhaps put in more time in trying to find a solution to the lack of speed he has had this year. Unlike say a Hans Anderson who is constantly travelling in 4 leagues plus individual meetings which in my opinion is taking its toll on the guy yet gain.

 

Even if Holder misses out on the GP then for sure as a ex World Champion who has always been in the top 8 I can't see him not being offered a Wild Card for at least next season in the very least. There are enough non World Champs who have recvd them year on year.

 

British Speedway is in a real mess already with a lack of World Class riders and the recent actions of CH and Batch certainly didn't help, but the spiteful action of Chapman knowing how he was screwing over both for the rest of this season was unreal. Especially having already given Holder a 28 day ban as punishment. His attempt then on trying to compound it further by the his actions regarding Jack Holder and trying to punish Peterborough were made even more laughable when they won the Fours without him plus posted their best ever crowd for the event. Maybe Chapman should have zipped it until after the Peterborough announcements came out when the dust had settled as in my opinion he made himself look foolish. The Club agreed to the move - benefited from it financially and still did well out of the Fours in both winning it and with a record crowd.

 

I still think the only way forward is for some form of combining the Prem and Champ. How it can be done I don't profess to have the answer but that's the job of the BSPA.

 

Something has to be done as Speedway in this country at the top level is fast going down the toilet if we don't.

 

How on earth can two leagues be justified with the majority of riders taking part in both and frequently missing matches when both their teams ride at the same time? We then see guest, guest, guest, guest and ....... oh yes, guest!! It is all a shambolic joke. I got completely fed up with it some time ago and the Batchelor/Holder fiasco merely illustrated the chaotic way in which this "sport" is run in this country. Buster was seen as the man who could improve things. It hurts me to say it but, whilst he is extremely hard working and committed, he hasn't got a leadership bone in his body. The club went rapidly downhill when his son departed. Let's face it, Buster is happiest whilst he is driving his tractor.

[TheReturn]

, he hasn't got a leadership bone in his body.

His dealing of the two Aussie whingers seems to suggest he can take decisive leadership decisions when he needs to. It was the managers job to manage and lead the team.

[LisaColette]

 

Don't kid yourself, fans are fickle and stupid... just look at Poole fans.

Ummmmm, okay bit of a weird statement. Exactly why are Poole fans being singled out as fickle or stupid?

Personally i think Buster could have waited til the end of the season to kick them out, prob would have made top 4, no chance now.

[Starboy118]

His dealing of the two Aussie whingers seems to suggest he can take decisive leadership decisions when he needs to. It was the managers job to manage and lead the team.

 

My idea of leadership involves building teams on and off the track, motivating people, delegating responsibility to certain individuals, making sure that the Club is properly promoted, ensuring that a regular dialogue is maintained with the supporters (aka customers) and generally involving as many people as possible to provide a feel-good factor. Ruthlessly sacking people isn't decisive leadership. It is reactive panic and proves evidence of weak leadership for allowing the situation to develop in the first place. Who appointed the Manager and was he merely the easiest option who wouldn't challenge the owner's leadership skills?

Ummmmm, okay bit of a weird statement. Exactly why are Poole fans being singled out as fickle or stupid?

Personally i think Buster could have waited til the end of the season to kick them out, prob would have made top 4, no chance now.

 

That's a difficult one!

[iris123]

Ummmmm, okay bit of a weird statement. Exactly why are Poole fans being singled out as fickle or stupid?

 

Think they are just going by the examples on this forum rather than Poole fans in general

[Starboy118]

Ummmmm, okay bit of a weird statement. Exactly why are Poole fans being singled out as fickle or stupid?

Personally i think Buster could have waited til the end of the season to kick them out, prob would have made top 4, no chance now.

I really cannot understand why people keep going on about the top 4. Does this league really have any significance at all? It is amateurish, third rate (at best), extremely poorly run, lost all its credibility some time ago and is basically a shambolic joke! Top 4? Who the hell cares?

[LisaColette]

 

My idea of leadership involves building teams on and off the track, motivating people, delegating responsibility to certain individuals, making sure that the Club is properly promoted, ensuring that a regular dialogue is maintained with the supporters (aka customers) and generally involving as many people as possible to provide a feel-good factor. Ruthlessly sacking people isn't decisive leadership. It is reactive panic and proves evidence of weak leadership for allowing the situation to develop in the first place. Who appointed the Manager and was he merely the easiest option who wouldn't challenge the owner's leadership skills?

 

 

That's a difficult one!

I am sensing some sarcasm here!

[STEVEHOLS54]

Do you really think that having given Holder a 28 day ban and then on the last day of the transfer window to sack both riders was professional ??

 

I accept a 28 day ban and maybe fine with a word of warning that further such actions would incur the full wrath of the BSPA with far reaching ramifications would have been a more professional way of dealing with it.

 

To me sacking both was a clear action of spite from Chapmans side and to be honest his subsequent outburst re Jack Holder only proves to me further he is not the man to lead British Speedway forward.

 

But people like the forward thinking such as Matt Ford are trodden down by the have not's. It seems its a crime to have forward thinking and successful promoters have their clubs do well. All we get is back stabbing - snipes and rule breaking - deep joy from some about Poole not doing well.

 

I for one hope Chris Holder does knuckle down - accepts he overstepped the mark and comes back a better rider next year. He went to Kings Lynn reluctantly because of a new points rule which forced him out of Poole as it would have put too much pressure on the teams points limit.

 

I think next year will be a make or break year for him in British Speedway as cant see even him accepting what happened this year as an ongoing situation.

[Dave Jones]

Think they are just going by the examples on this forum rather than Poole fans in general

I suppose it could be argued that given that a number of "fickle/stupid" Poole posters on here have multi aliases the situation might not be as bad as it appears at first.

[Starboy118]

I am sensing some sarcasm here!

 

Radar in full working order

[foreverblue]

Holder was rightly banned and rightlysacked, riders have to be accountable for their actions. He has dropped his level so far now i dont think Poole should have him back. He isnt anywhere near the rider he was and if he refuses to ride at Poole for the track being too scary what then. He is meant to be a professional sportsman, it is about time he acted like one.

[Steve0]

His dealing of the two Aussie whingers seems to suggest he can take decisive leadership decisions when he needs to. It was the managers job to manage and lead the team.

His actions were vindictive and spiteful - not leadership qualities

[SteveLyric2]

What will be really interesting to see over the winter is what happens to the Swedish League? Already stated that its unlikely to have 2 leagues as there aren't enough clubs financially sound enough along with hardly any Swedish riders coming through!

 

Many riders will have some serious choices to make before next season - amd many won't have a choice at all!!

[TheReturn]

His actions were vindictive and spiteful - not leadership qualities

Good, about time somebody stood up to these overseas riders who think they can use British speedway and get away with it.

[Phil The Ace]

Holder and batch have 60 days to find a new club for next year otherwise they could be stuck in Aus in a 12 month cooling off period.

 

Ford owns both so he either needs to sign both for Poole next year or get another club to sign them even though they won't know next year's rules and regulations

[Starman2006]

 

Holder and batch have 60 days to find a new club for next year otherwise they could be stuck in Aus in a 12 month cooling off period.

 

Ford owns both so he either needs to sign both for Poole next year or get another club to sign them even though they won't know next year's rules and regulations

The rules and regs can change overnight, but we certainly don't want numpty in charge..

[Steve0]

Good, about time somebody stood up to these overseas riders who think they can use British speedway and get away with it.

Good? If your boss was spiteful and vindictive - you'd be happy? Buster's actions have ensured that the Aussie two cannot earn in this country for the remainder of this season - that is just wrong! Fine if he doesn't want them in his very poor redeclared team but to stop them earning when a speedway rider's career is relatively short anyway is just plain wrong!

[TheReturn]

Buster's actions have ensured that the Aussie two cannot earn in this country for the remainder of this season - that is just wrong!

Ok, so lets say they were told 24 hours before, snapped up by the likes of Poole or Swindon.... what happens to the two riders they replace? Would we be calling Poole and Swindon spiteful?

 

Don't kid yourself that Holder or Batchelor are here doing everything they do because they care about Kings Lynn and British Speedway, they're not, they are here for themselves, and their actions led to this sorry state of affairs. So get off your high horse calling Champan vindictive, and start looking a little closer at what led to this happening, and the starting point is the actions of those riders.

Edited August 8, 2017 by TheReturn

[dump that clutch]

Phil The Ace, on 08 Aug 2017 - 7:41 PM, said:

Holder and batch have 60 days to find a new club for next year otherwise they could be stuck in Aus in a 12 month cooling off period.

Ford owns both so he either needs to sign both for Poole next year or get another club to sign them even though they won't know next year's rules and regulations

 

The rules and regs can change overnight, but we certainly don't want numpty in charge..

not a nice thing to say about your boss ..?

[Dave Jones]

Good? If your boss was spiteful and vindictive - you'd be happy? Buster's actions have ensured that the Aussie two cannot earn in this country for the remainder of this season - that is just wrong! Fine if he doesn't want them in his very poor redeclared team but to stop them earning when a speedway rider's career is relatively short anyway is just plain wrong!

I can't be sure if it's a case of you not able or not prepared to see what is going on here.

 

I doubt the team changes were done for any other reason other than to get a team of riders that were prepared to turn up and race,the real issue was about ensuring that these two guys were punished for their antics at a meeting which resulted in two officials of the club resigning and the team manager carted off to hospital with what appears to be health issues caused by severe stress.

Any fair minded person would surely accept that the actions of the riders was way out of order ,and it demanded some positive action from the club don't you think?

You go on about a vindictive promoter, I would suggest the two riders were the the vindictive ones and the fact that they are out of british speedway for the rest of the season should be a wake up call for both of them. Hopefully, given their subsequent outbursts on the social network a bit more of punishment will be heading their way shortly.