waiheke1 Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 There were a lot of riders at the meeting on a lot less money than the Aussies.They rode it.Same risk for all.But the question I was responding to wasn't why didn't all riders refuse to race. It was would holder have done the same in Poland. And the reason why not is money, and the fact is that the more money you are paid comparatively the more risk you are likely to be willing to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Convienient to? All they do is whinge theres too many meetings, not enough money blah blah. Their here for visa issues nothing more nothing less. Not one Top aussie gives the uk a miss. Aussies need visas to ride in europe that other countrys cant give them so they have to ride here ! Convienient my arse Good post sir.. I've actually run out of likes today for the first time in 12 years - must have been a good day on the Bsf. Re your post, i've asked Holder what the crack is regarding his visa but he seems to be a bit quiet on that for some reason.. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Surely Holder would have permanent residence by now? Or worst case get a visa for Poland/Sweden and base himself there, and travel back to the uk on a regular basis to see his son? Anyway, the important question is will you be wearing your Holder shirt today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior fan Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 So you all whine about the crap tracks you as spectators get dished up and when a rider makes a stand he gets s canned bloody hypocrites. Junior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 (edited) Surely Holder would have permanent residence by now? Or worst case get a visa for Poland/Sweden and base himself there, and travel back to the uk on a regular basis to see his son? Anyway, the important question is will you be wearing your Holder shirt today? If he has a son in the UK then hopefully he would have some sort of family visa, although, the way the UK government are with visas these days he may not if he regularly travels back to Australia for long periods. A Polish or Swedish visa wouldn't, in itself, allow entry to the UK. If you are working in the UK on a visa it is the responsibility of the sponsor - i.e. Chapman - to inform UKVI that you are no longer working for them. After that, you have 60 days grace in which to either change to a different visa type or leave the country. https://newlandchase.com/immigration-insights/newland-chase-blog/tier-2-sponsorship-what-happens-when-you-leave-sponsored-employment/ Convienient to? All they do is whinge theres too many meetings, not enough money blah blah. Their here for visa issues nothing more nothing less. Not one Top aussie gives the uk a miss. Aussies need visas to ride in europe that other countrys cant give them so they have to ride here ! Convienient my arse No they don't. You can't ride in Poland or Sweden on a UK work visa. Edited August 1, 2017 by grachan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 If he has a son in the UK then hopefully he would have some sort of family visa, although, the way the UK government are with visas these days he may not if he regularly travels back to Australia for long periods. A Polish or Swedish visa wouldn't, in itself, allow entry to the UK. Understand that those VISA would nor grant him access to the UK. But if he is not intending to work in the UK I didn't think an Aussie would need a VISA to enter? No they don't. You can't ride in Poland or Sweden on a UK work visa. Yeah, I can't understand why people constantly say this. Even if it were true, how hard do they think it would be to get a VISA for those countries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry_Bee Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Everybody has arguments at work, both parties here at fault in some proportion however holders getting a slating and busters ok to produce that track as an acceptable nights entertainment and from what you hear it's not the first time it's been not so good. Should have shook hands and that be it done, the way it's been carried out by buster is that of somebody not to trust. Speedway is dangerous and yet so is F1, look at the lengths they are going to with this halo to protect the driver. if the track isn't right they have a safety car and are held until it is safe to race. The surface is drivable but not raceable and in their carbon fibre shells these guys safety is paramount. Crashes in speedway will happen, injuries will happen, always have and always will but it has to be fair game. If somebody had been to their first meeting or it had been on tv what advert would that be to the sport? Does not deserve to be called a professional sport being run like this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 The amount of ass lickers on Holders Twitter is a joke, bunch of kiss asses. How about the guys under performed all season and take the piss out of the club the last few months? The amount of riders saying how the British Speedway is a joke, here's one, don't like it? Close the door on your way out. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry_Bee Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 But it is a joke.. Riders getting sacked left right and centre this season, look at the farce at Ipswich where they sacked two guys then realised they didn't add up correctly and have to ring them so say ...sorry, your back in. . Clubs have no loyalty to riders what so ever, if they get injured they simply replace them and goodbye. This season has by far been the worst for crazy team changes and I've missed going to Brandon this year but simply for what it means because of its history. I haven't missed Mick Horton and watching this merry go round of riders, call me old fashioned but a team was a team for the season and in previous posts I have put that I believe 2 changes maximum should be allowed per season. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Said on a thread at the start of the season that we shouldn't employ Aussie riders.Don't give them the step to use to build their career,don't help them build a better national team than we have.Don't give them the chance to moan.They must have seen what our climate is like.Ffs it is what we are famous for!!!Don't like our weather and our wages then stay in luvvly Oz.Nuff said 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post g13webb Posted August 1, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 This Loyality thing goes both ways. If Holder had come to Lynn with the right attitude he would have been looked after for good and become one of there very own. The fans would have adored him and excepted his bad nights. But when he only came as a stop gap, thinking he will come and be back a t Poole soon it was never going to work. You only have to look at NKI and see the adulation he has from the Stars Fans and that's because he came and wanted to win every race. The fans appreciated that and took him to their hearts. Niels can now do no wrong, and will be welcomed back at the earliest opportunity... The ball was firmly in Holders court, but he let everyone down, including himself.... His 10 yrs of adulation was destroyed to 10 mins .... 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 (edited) I dont believe Kings Lynn fans ever accepted Chris Holder. His form was never as good as 5 years ago and it was a case of comparing him to Iversen from the off. If it was Iversen that had refused to ride I am surr more KL fans would be blaming Chapman for the disgrace of a track. End of the day neither side come out of this smelling of roses but Chapmans behaviour is disgraceful, considering he is the one who caused the problem in the first place. Edited August 1, 2017 by Steve Shovlar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 I dont believe Kings Lynn fans ever accepted Chris Holder. His form was never as good as 5 years ago and it was a case of comparing him to Iversen from the off. If it was Iversen that had refused to ride I am surr more KL fans would be blaming Chapman for the disgrace of a track. End of the day neither side come out of this smelling of roses but Chapmans behaviour is disgraceful, considering he is the one who caused the problem in the first place. Would you be saying the same if your promoter had taken the same action? and it could of happened as your track in recent years has been a disgrace at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 The protocols regarding forcing riders to ride on less than perfect tracks were rewritten at Belle Vue in March last year, and Chapman confirmed the new standards by his subsequent official announcement when he squarely blamed the promoters for the fiasco and left the riders blameless. To put it simply, if a track is less than perfect the riders don't have to ride and it is the promoters fault. Sadly Chapman himself doesn't seem to think the rules apply to him, that's bad enough, but he then resolves the situation by acting like a idiot. See you're still very bitter. The 2 situations are very very different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 (edited) well done Buster,i have nothing against either riders or the Aussies,but if riders dont want to ride for you for what ever reason then they have to go The said night at Lynn where they refused to ride the track i avoided commenting on as i wasnt there but having since spoken to one of the riders who also rode there and he said it was a bit gripy but was fine to ride,well that made my mind up hope that Holder and Batch get fixed up next year and good luck to the new lads at Lynn for rest of the season i cant see any of the new lads refusing to ride a track!!! Edited August 1, 2017 by montie 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 I think that a lot more has gone on over the season than we know about and that the Poole match was just the final straw. Both riders in question have had problems with promoters in the past because of their attitude.Holder/Ford Batchelor/Rosco and both were released from long standing clubs.food for thought perhaps British speedway has finaly had enough of them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Don't really see what all the fuss is about. Teams make changes all the time. Up to the deadline last week there were pages of suggestions for team changes on the Poole thread and I didn't see many people concerned with the fate of the riders they were looking to get rid off. On a similar note if this had happened a few days earlier and Holder and Batchelor had been snapped up by someone such as Leicester the two of them wouldn't be losing too much sleep over the riders they replaced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 all he ever does is slate everything about British speedway! Even when he broke his back (unfortunately) he slated our doctors and NHS! I read it somewhere can't remember wher though Has an occasional moan about the bin men too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Iversens attitude as a whole ie 100 percent every race is why fans would be up in arms if he had the sack like doyle hes brilliant to watch and never gives up. Bratchelor and holder on the other hand... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Iversens attitude as a whole ie 100 percent every race is why fans would be up in arms if he had the sack like doyle hes brilliant to watch and never gives up. Bratchelor and holder on the other hand... Niels has had his say on british tracks loads of times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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