The Doctor... Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Holder just blocked me too.... only told him Christmas was coming. Still I guess he hasn't much else to do nowadays Nice one.. i asked him about the work permit situation and was told to p off.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Yeh fair comment. But he should have heavily fined them first, then say do it again then your gone, no questions. If he had, my guess is they would of wobbled around lowering their average(probably on a guarantee if they was ?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Only one person to blae for this horrible mess. Step forward BSPA Chairman Buster Chapman. It was Chapman that made a track deemed dangerous by half the riders at the meeting. So when two of them, who went about it wrongly imo, refused to ride, he sacked them and made sure they couldn't work again in the UK this year. You work for a construction company. You climb up the scaffold on the outside of a tall block of flats. The scaffold sways all over the place as you work on the 22nd floor. Sod this, you think. I am not staying on this and quickly come down. The boss says get back up there and carry on working. You refuse saying it is unsafe. So he sends you home for the week. A week later you return to discover he has sacked you, oh, and you can't work for anyone else either until next year. Hahaha. Completely illegal and the construction company would be dragged through the courts and heavily fined. But as there is a cutoff date, Chapman has made sure two riders cannot work again this year in the UK, and all because he himself produced a track unfit for purpose. Petty vindictiveness from Buster Chapman. Completely disgraceful from the Chairman of the BSPA. HOLDER and Batchelor or not innocent. They should have handled it better. But the blame can only be laid at Chapmans door alone. If the track had been prepared properly none of this would have happened. Seems to me he has sought revenge from a problem of his own making. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Only one person to blae for this horrible mess. Step forward BSPA Chairman Buster Chapman. It was Chapman that made a track deemed dangerous by half the riders at the meeting. So when two of them, who went about it wrongly imo, refused to ride, he sacked them and made sure they couldn't work again in the UK this year. You work for a construction company. You climb up the scaffold on the outside of a tall block of flats. The scaffold sways all over the place as you work on the 22nd floor. Sod this, you think. I am not staying on this and quickly come down. The boss says get back up there and carry on working. You refuse saying it is unsafe. So he sends you home for the week. A week later you return to discover he has sacked you, oh, and you can't work for anyone else either until next year. Hahaha. Completely illegal and the construction company would be dragged through the courts and heavily fined. But as there is a cutoff date, Chapman has made sure two riders cannot work again this year in the UK, and all because he himself produced a track unfit for purpose. Petty vindictiveness from Buster Chapman. Completely disgraceful from the Chairman of the BSPA. HOLDER and Batchelor or not innocent. They should have handled it better. But the blame can only be laid at Chapmans door alone. If the track had been prepared properly none of this would have happened. Seems to me he has sought revenge from a problem of his own making. There is no mess. Two prima donnas tried setting a marker and it backfired and theyve been made an example of . Perhaps it may teach them to put up or shut up in the future 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry_Bee Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Lost the plot in then calling off the Rye meeting when sun was forecast... Robert lambert even commented on the track situation so of course its if your face fits or not. Buster has nobody left to hide behind and all eyes will be on track he produces. Clay based material is always going to be awful !! The team he has put together would struggle in the league below, a few hammerings coming there way and the top 4 clubs now look a class above the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 so now we have an Australian (or rather 2 including Batchelor) who have obtained a work permit - but effectively no longer have work in the UK - at what point are they denied free access to our shores ? Time for uk imigtation authorities to take a look and get shot of these 2 prima donnas - all they do is ride bikes round in circles - won't be missed !!!This could have changed in the last couple of years but until then the normal process was that their visa sponsor had to inform the authorities that their employment had been terminated. They then process the details and send out a notification to the worker that they need to leave the Country. They were given 60 days from the time of the notification. It wasn't unusual for it to take several months for the home office to send out the notification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Only one person to blae for this horrible mess. Step forward BSPA Chairman Buster Chapman. It was Chapman that made a track deemed dangerous by half the riders at the meeting. So when two of them, who went about it wrongly imo, refused to ride, he sacked them and made sure they couldn't work again in the UK this year. You work for a construction company. You climb up the scaffold on the outside of a tall block of flats. The scaffold sways all over the place as you work on the 22nd floor. Sod this, you think. I am not staying on this and quickly come down. The boss says get back up there and carry on working. You refuse saying it is unsafe. So he sends you home for the week. A week later you return to discover he has sacked you, oh, and you can't work for anyone else either until next year. Hahaha. Completely illegal and the construction company would be dragged through the courts and heavily fined. But as there is a cutoff date, Chapman has made sure two riders cannot work again this year in the UK, and all because he himself produced a track unfit for purpose. Petty vindictiveness from Buster Chapman. Completely disgraceful from the Chairman of the BSPA. HOLDER and Batchelor or not innocent. They should have handled it better. But the blame can only be laid at Chapmans door alone. If the track had been prepared properly none of this would have happened. Seems to me he has sought revenge from a problem of his own making. I think it had something to do with the new shale.Buster tried to address the follow the leader racing and it didn't work.The times were fast.All the 15 heats were completed.A lot lesser riders,on a lot less money rode it..(no disrespect at all) ..No rider is bigger than a club.If Darcy Ward's and their own injuries are in their minds and IF it is affecting them,then maybe they should seek some sort of help. I was told about 2 years ago that one of the riders was earning over £20k a week in 3 leagues.(Don't ask cause I won't say who told me).Maybe 2-3 k in the uk(my guess) .Some lesser riders would grab a ride in the Prem and will give it 100%....For others earning good money elsewhere,not so important...Visa's excluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 The Gomolski situation I understand was a bit different as Kings Lynn signed him and then realised that he was in SEC series so would be missing at Leicester on Saturday with no facility and also that he had a meeting in Poland that clashed with another KL away meeting A well researched signing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 This whole episode has been handled badly by everyone - riders and promoter - and I think it's very sad that neither Noddy or Batch can ride again this season. If a promoter chooses to sack a rider then so be it but to do so when they can't sign anywhere else is a very poor reflection on the promoter and British speedway. I do hope we see them both back next year - obviously not riding for KL. I also now do not want KL to get in to the playoffs - which is highly likely given the changes they have made. A sad day for British speedway!! Excellent post 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 I said neither Holder or Batchelor handled the situation on the night well. But nothing takes away the fact that the root cause of the problem was Buster Chapmans track prep. Fast times don't mean a safe track. It means the track is grippy, and clearly too grippy for some riders that night. Chapman prepared it, so therefore he is responsible for the meltdown on the night. Rather than hold his hands up and apologise to riders and fans, he sacked two riders who refused to go out in dangerous conditions at a time when they cannot find another club due to cutoff. That to me is just petty vindictiveness. Whilst some may applud his stand, none of this would have happened if he had done his job properly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) A well researched signing. Wil lwith all that's going on at Lynn..Lyon,Allitt,riders flouncing,i think Buster was trying to work fast as the cut off was days away.Easy thing to overlook in haste. Are you a Poole fan ? Edited July 31, 2017 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 I said neither Holder or Batchelor handled the situation on the night well. But nothing takes away the fact that the root cause of the problem was Buster Chapmans track prep. Fast times don't mean a safe track. It means the track is grippy, and clearly too grippy for some riders that night. Chapman prepared it, so therefore he is responsible for the meltdown on the night. Rather than hold his hands up and apologise to riders and fans, he sacked two riders who refused to go out in dangerous conditions at a time when they cannot find another club due to cutoff. That to me is just petty vindictiveness. Whilst some may applud his stand, none of this would have happened if he had done his job properly. Like you say too grippy for SOME RIDERS not all.Poor attitude from SOME RIDERS not all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Holder just blocked me too.... only told him Christmas was coming. Still I guess he hasn't much else to do nowadays Don't blame him blocking you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 I said neither Holder or Batchelor handled the situation on the night well. But nothing takes away the fact that the root cause of the problem was Buster Chapmans track prep. Fast times don't mean a safe track. It means the track is grippy, and clearly too grippy for some riders that night. Chapman prepared it, so therefore he is responsible for the meltdown on the night. Rather than hold his hands up and apologise to riders and fans, he sacked two riders who refused to go out in dangerous conditions at a time when they cannot find another club due to cutoff. That to me is just petty vindictiveness. Whilst some may applud his stand, none of this would have happened if he had done his job properly. I agree the track wasn't great,but it was rideable.Proved by the rest of the less talented riders.Buster tried new shale and it ended up grippy.If the reserves can ride it,surely a ex word champ can IF his head is right,or he wants to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Quite a few Poole fans struggling with this decision tonight I see.. Can't imagine why 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Maybe speedway is just a bit too scary for Chris Holder now, i believe he said speedway is scary enough without the sun in your eyes when there was a sun break at one of the Kings Lynn meetings. I don't think he will ever recapture his best form. Too much has happened in his life to ride to his full potential now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Like you say too grippy for SOME RIDERS not all.Poor attitude from SOME RIDERS not all. Riders are individuals. Some like plenty of dirt, some like slick tracks. Some like ploughed fields. Very few like grippy tracks. Chapman provided a track deemed by some riders as dangerous. Lambert and Huckenbeck also refused to ride remember. Chapmans fault for the whole sorry mess. 100%. Shame he is too proud to man up and apologise rather than blame riders who put their lives on the line every time they go on track. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) Wil lwith all that's going on at Lynn..Lyon,Allitt,riders flouncing,i think Buster was trying to work fast as the cut off was days away.Easy thing to overlook in haste. Are you a Poole fan ? No I'm not a fan of any team. Nor do I dislike any team. Edited July 31, 2017 by marky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Quite a few Poole fans struggling with this decision tonight I see.. Can't imagine why Me too.Mind you Folder fits if Hans breaks a toe nail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) So why the hell are they riding over here at all then? Cos they want to entertain the fans? Give over ffs!!! Because Britain is the closest thing to home in Europe. I thought that was obvious?... They ride here because it's convenient to. Trust me, if there were a little country just like Australia that was closer to Poland with a sh*tty league just like ours, they'd be living and riding there instead. Edited July 31, 2017 by BurntFaceMan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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