Popular Post Woz01 Posted July 31, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) No they aren't, they're nothing to do with it. We serve up dangerous sh*tty tracks to some of the best riders in the world, and then sack them when they refused to ride it. Not only do we sack them, but we spitefully ensure they cannot ride again in Britain this year. Well I can tell you now, they won't be back, and that will be a far bigger loss to us than to them. They graded the track and riders from both sides said it was fine after that. Holder and Batchelor still packed up and went home. Personally I'd rather not have the big guns over here. Edited July 31, 2017 by woz01 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 They graded the track and riders from both sides said it was fine after that. Holder and Batchelor still packed up and went home. Personally I'd rather not have the big guns over here. And some of them disagreed. Everyone should be entitled to a safe working environment. And while you might be happy to lose the big guns, I'm afraid the majority are not and that's why the majority are not attending anymore. Unfortunately for you the majority pay the bills. All you've got left to look forward to is higher attendance prices for poorer speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Riders with the attitude of Holder & Batchelor are major contributors to the current state of british speedway. As are promoters with the attitude of Chapman. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 No they aren't, they're nothing to do with it. We serve up dangerous sh*tty tracks to some of the best riders in the world, and then sack them when they refused to ride it. Not only do we sack them, but we spitefully ensure they cannot ride again in Britain this year. Well I can tell you now, they won't be back, and that will be a far bigger loss to us than to them. Well you are entitled to that opinion , but perhaps a look at the bigger picture might be a good idea. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pinny Posted July 31, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 No they aren't, they're nothing to do with it. We serve up dangerous sh*tty tracks to some of the best riders in the world, and then sack them when they refused to ride it. Not only do we sack them, but we spitefully ensure they cannot ride again in Britain this year. Well I can tell you now, they won't be back, and that will be a far bigger loss to us than to them. Absolute nonsense. Fans pay their wages and deserve better. Two supposed top guns, who fans pay to see, walk out of a meeting as they dont fancy the track. Dont bother riding in the uk if they dont like it. Their riding in the UK as they have to, so should show more respect to the people who pay their wages every week. Neither of them will be a big miss. Get shot completely of them and watch them Come running back when no team on the continent wants them. 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Am I not right in thinking that Lambert, Hukenbeck also refused to ride. Surely Holder & Batch are riders of experience so their opinions on whether the track was/is dangerous should be listened too?! They graded the track and riders from both sides said it was fine after that. Holder and Batchelor still packed up and went home. Personally I'd rather not have the big guns over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 There gave been countless examples over the years of riders refusing to ride. I recall at Hyde Rd on the 80s alone Ole Olsen refusing to take his last ride (dispute over an aces riders tyre iirc), Bo Peterson and Bobby Schwartz both walking out half way through a meeting due to conditions, and the entire reading team walking out with 3 heats to go. I'm certain none of them were suspended or fired. Here I guess the difference is they were home riders. BUT if I didn't feel safe at work (and I appreciate in my field the worst that's likely to happen is to be hit by an out of control pivot table) I think I would make a stand to. Batch has always been reluctant to ride in sub optimal conditions, but has been KL best performer this season. Holder seems - imo understandably in light of his injuries and Darcys accident - to also be reticent to ride when the track is dicey. But he's been loyal to British speedway over a number of years, and just the previous night had turned on arguably his best performance of the season. Appreciate others will have differing views but imo this is a massive over reaction, and also surely kills KLs play off hopes and will surely impact their crowds as well for the rest of the season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) I will try and answer the question- firstly the rule 16.3.4 No Team changes will be allowed after 28th July with the effective date being 31st July, exceptfor riders returning to the Team after injury. The 72 hours difference in time between submitting a change and the start date of the change is for the BSPA to check out the legalitity of any change(average, work permit situation etc etc) Kings Lynn could submit the paperwork for any change up to 11.59pm on the 28th- now they are not required to tell the riders they are replacing until acceptance has been given the green light by the BSPA sometime presumably within the 72 hours. I am not saying what kings lynn have done is right or wrong- just giving the mechanics. What I would say is that wind of changes would normally surface during this 72 hour period- for this not to happen on this occasion I would say is unusual - promoters sticking together perhaps !!!! Edited July 31, 2017 by racers and royals 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 As are promoters with the attitude of Chapman. They deliberately waited till after the cut of date to stop anybody else signing them. No supprise there.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 As are promoters with the attitude of Chapman. Wouldn't disagree about the promoters, but a big clean up is required and tails wagging the dog isn't healthy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Now how do we fit Chris in ?Probably first name on your list for 2018 along with Newman on a 3.5. Shame Matt stuffed up with releasing KK or you could have had those 3 plus Shanes as your first four signings for next year with enough points left over for J Holder Kurtz and Andersen, or some other combination of HL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 An example to who? The other GP boys who don't want to ride over here? We should be grateful to have them at all. This league is dog food. If the claim that Poland will only allow riders to go in one other league next year comes to fruition, you wouldn't see any anyway. Under-performing and being disruptive gets you the sack, whatever you do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 An example to who? The other GP boys who don't want to ride over here? We should be grateful to have them at all. This league is dog food. We only get the Aussies because it is convenient for them, visa and live here during the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Well you are entitled to that opinion , but perhaps a look at the bigger picture might be a good idea. Are you joking? Can I hazard a guess that you're one of the many members on here approaching retirement territory? The big picture is incredibly simple to see, and yet you and so many others seem blind to it. Every year less and less people are paying for speedway in Britain. The people who are still paying are predominantly grey haired and won't be around forever. It doesn't take a genius to work out how that scenario ends. That's the bigger picture. Absolute nonsense. Fans pay their wages and deserve better. Two supposed top guns, who fans pay to see, walk out of a meeting as they dont fancy the track. Dont bother riding in the uk if they dont like it. Their riding in the UK as they have to, so should show more respect to the people who pay their wages every week. Neither of them will be a big miss. Get shot completely of them and watch them Come running back when no team on the continent wants them. Wake up. The wages we pay over here do not compare to the wages they see abroad. We pay them far less money for far riskier work. We should be grateful to have them. Well... doesn't matter anymore because we're chucking the last of them out. And even if that fails to get rid of them completely, next years cost cutting exercises to "rebuild" the sport will surely cull the remaining couple. Getting rid of a rider is one thing, but engineering it so that they cannot find further employment this year is disgraceful. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 An example to who? The other GP boys who don't want to ride over here? We should be grateful to have them at all. This league is dog food. The top riders must hold the BSPA in complete disdain if not outright contempt.. No wonder so many give it a swerve.. Next year's rumoured Polish rules will complete the cull of top riders riding over here I would suggest... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Am I not right in thinking that Lambert, Hukenbeck also refused to ride. Surely Holder & Batch are riders of experience so their opinions on whether the track was/is dangerous should be listened too?! They didnt come out for a heat wanting work doing but they didnt refuse or go home after the track grade no. They were listened to eventually, they did track work. Hans Andersen and Lambert said the track was fine after that happened. Holder and Batchelor went home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BWitcher Posted July 31, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 You are obviously a bit of a dick who can't understand a question. I want clarity of the rules not whether they have been made examples of. And I do care because things like this make the sport look a joke, and we've lost another GP rider who has been loyal to GB racing. Actually for once it makes the sport look good. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 The top riders must hold the BSPA in complete disdain if not outright contempt.. No wonder so many give it a swerve.. Next year's rumoured Polish rules will complete the cull of top riders riding over here I would suggest... That might be the case until the riders in Poland also get shafted. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Are you joking? Can I hazard a guess that you're one of the many members on here approaching retirement territory? The big picture is incredibly simple to see, and yet you and so many others seem blind to it. Every year less and less people are paying for speedway in Britain. The people who are still paying are predominantly grey haired and won't be around forever. It doesn't take a genius to work out how that scenario ends. That's the bigger picture. Wake up. The wages we pay over here do not compare to the wages they see abroad. We pay them far less money for far riskier work. We should be grateful to have them. Well... doesn't matter anymore because we're chucking the last of them out. And even if that fails to get rid of them completely, next years cost cutting exercises to "rebuild" the sport will surely cull the remaining couple. Getting rid of a rider is one thing, but engineering it so that they cannot find further employment this year is disgraceful. So why the hell are they riding over here at all then? Cos they want to entertain the fans? Give over ffs!!! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) They both missed a race tho? Whether Holder or Batch were right to do what they did can be argued until the cows comes home. Are KL right to not inform them prior to 28th they were being released....of course they're not. That's as unprofessional as it gets I'm afraid....the chairman of the bspa as well. Shocking behaviour IMO I hate bashing British speedway but sometimes it fails itself. They didnt come out for a heat wanting work doing but they didnt refuse or go home after the track grade no. They were listened to eventually, they did track work. Hans Andersen and Lambert said the track was fine after that happened. Holder and Batchelor went home. Edited July 31, 2017 by hyabb17 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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