Panthers89 Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 Evening all, IS THERE a list anywhere with who currently who owns who? I know the asset system is flawed to the say the least, but after a list for both Premiership and Championship ideally! Cheers in Advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) Top secret .. promoters eyes only Edited July 31, 2017 by Gunner85 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Assets you must be joking. If a club went along to a bank for money and showed a list of assets any value of them would be thrown out. They are as worth as much as a chocolate fire guard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) Just seen on the World Games thread that Berwick have special dispensation to hold Romano Hummel as an 'asset' even though he only rode 3 meeting.It is all a big joke that would never hold up if threatened in court.Always the trouble with speedway is they make a rule then allow clubs to do their own thing anyway.... But if you search for 'assets' i do think there was a thread done before where people took the time to make a list.Possibly a bit out of date now,but a good place to start Edited July 31, 2017 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) 'Assets' have always been open to conjecture within speedway whereby promotions 'declare' some riders (foreign 'assets' in particular) as 'assets' despite rarely, if at all, putting in a appearance for said promotion. Edited July 31, 2017 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 'Assets' have always been open to conjecture within speedway whereby promotions 'declare' some riders (foreign 'assets' in particular) as 'assets' despite rarely, if at all, putting in a appearance for said promotion. Such as i think Nicki P is/was an asset of Wolves ?. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Swindon have Doyle, Morris, Musielak, Bellego in the current side. Who else? Anders Row. Sedgman perhaps? There is an advantage to having assets as you get first choice when team building rather than hanging round to see who is left. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) Swindon have Doyle, Morris, Musielak, Bellego in the current side. Who else? Anders Row. Sedgman perhaps? There is an advantage to having assets as you get first choice when team building rather than hanging round to see who is left. Kildemand and Stefan Nielsen are Swindon "assets" and I think Zengota might be as well. Edited July 31, 2017 by A ORLOV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Don't forget Miedzinski....😕 And Pavlic....✈️👎🏻 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted July 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Thanks all for the help so far, I know its a pointless thing, but intrigued to who owns who etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Assets? What assets? NL clubs are not allowed assets; and someone asked if Chapman was good for the sport ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Max Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 The whole asset system is a total farce - happy to be corrected but my understanding is that PL teams can sign a rider as an asset then loan him out to PL club (eg poole - Ellis perks, Lakeside Zach W) Pl clubs have to have a rider riding x matches home & away before they become an asset and NL can't have assets - where on earth is the consistency or logic in that?? The whole system should be scrapped and everyone a total free agent and signed on an 8 month contract starting march 1st Failing that there should be a limit on how many assets a club can hold - A club should be allowed to retain 3 of there assets not named in 1-7 starting line up for the season, so effectively limit is 10 if they use all their assets, but more likely 6/7 - this would allow the less well financed clubs to utilise riders who become free agents and not incur lthe loan fees. I realise both ideas will never happenbecause a) they are too sensible and b. the big clubs want to keep things their own way 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Assets? What assets? NL clubs are not allowed assets; and someone asked if Chapman was good for the sport ... Don't think that's the case, I think that they can't have new assets, but if they had already got them they keep them as assets, but I'm sure someone can confirm. See here: http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=81156&page=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Don't think that's the case, I think that they can't have new assets, but if they had already got them they keep them as assets, but I'm sure someone can confirm. Quite possibly - I believe Cradley have some - but given that nearly all of the NL teams are standalone, it is a piece of dishonesty which shows what the people who are running speedway are like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 (edited) Quite possibly - I believe Cradley have some - but given that nearly all of the NL teams are standalone, it is a piece of dishonesty which shows what the people who are running speedway are like. A team from the Premier or Championship League have to pay the junior club a training fee before they can call the rider an asset. Everyone goes on about 'assets', when in fact it would be more appropriate to 'holding UK registration' cos that it all it is. Edited August 3, 2017 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Assets you must be joking. If a club went along to a bank for money and showed a list of assets any value of them would be thrown out. They are as worth as much as a chocolate fire guard. Quite agree - UK Speedway clubs do not of course actually 'own' self-employed riders! Maybe I could claim that I own my self-employed window cleaner and try to transfer him (for an undisclosed fee) to my neighbour! As Tsunami says it would be more appropriate to refer to them as holding rider registrations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Quite agree - UK Speedway clubs do not of course actually 'own' self-employed riders! Maybe I could claim that I own my self-employed window cleaner and try to transfer him (for an undisclosed fee) to my neighbour! As Tsunami says it would be more appropriate to refer to them as holding rider registrations. Love the analogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted August 4, 2017 Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 Swindon have Doyle, Morris, Musielak, Bellego in the current side. Who else? Anders Row. Sedgman perhaps? There is an advantage to having assets as you get first choice when team building rather than hanging round to see who is left. Anders Rowe can't be anyone's asset as can't sign a professional contract till he is 16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted August 4, 2017 Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) From memory and including only those currently riding in the UK, Belle Vue have, Fricke, Steve and Richie Worrall, Bewley and Hougaard. Bickley is only 15, so not yet old enough to be an asset but I anticipate he will sign for the Aces in due course. Edited August 4, 2017 by Aces51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 the assets system would not stand up in court I'm sure of it - how about this riders are freelance (which effectively they are) sign 3 monthly contracts with a club with an option to renew, renewed at the end of the 3 month period or not if the team wish to make a change. This controls the chop and change farrago while keeping riders on their toes if you like and gives teams flexibility to make changes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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