Baldyman Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Oh man...he was brilliant .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Zagar gained his average already as a GP rider and an average in Poland of a certain standard so he isn't in comparison. Take Zmarzlik as a example, he was at Birminghamon 6.00 but since then has become one of the best around and would come in on 8.50 as he has improved since he was here. Poole signed him knowing he was on a 6.00 average But Zmarlik was more than two years ago. From what I understand Woryna will come in on his 4.65 average because it was earned in the last 2 years. Otherwise lots of riders have to be changed and for example Pawlicki should come in on 8 plus and Zagar and Tai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Who ? Can't think of a rider that scores well there but not here. Buczkowski 6.02 didn't do great last time he was here but can do a decent job and has been up and down in Poland but a bargain for this league. Think you may find he is joining on a 6.00 average due to his World U21 performance and his Polish average being higher than previously So many. Not just in Poland I mean foreign form to British form in general. Just to name a few for example. Huckenbeck has been poor for KL yet he is decent on the foreign tracks. Lindback was poor when he signed for us. Yet he was good in Poland and Sweden. Buczkowski was useless yet he was decent in Poland Gomolski isn't half the rider in Britain compared to his Polish form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 But Zmarlik was more than two years ago. From what I understand Woryna will come in on his 4.65 average because it was earned in the last 2 years. Otherwise lots of riders have to be changed and for example Pawlicki should come in on 8 plus and Zagar and Tai. Exactly. Most agree that riders who rode prior to 2016 and not since should have their GSA's reassessed as many like Pawliki (2015) and Zmarzlik (2014) were very young riders who were learning their trade on the way to becoming superstars of the GP. I think most of the BV fans who seem to be incl Zagar already in their plans are excited because his last achieved GSA in 2016 was 7.48. Based on your logic then, having won 2 GP last season and been in top 8 of the SGP he should be at least 9 plus. Don't get me wrong I think both Woryna and Zagar are on great averages as per 2016 and it will be shrewd promoters who sign both riders especially with this one over the 8 rule and a 42.5 team building limit. As for Woryna - He is and was in 2016 a young rider who has proved nothing on UK tracks yet. IF he accumulates the points and masters our UK tracks then of course that will be reflected in his GSA for 2019. Let's not punish forward thinking promoters who has the insight to sign a young rider on a decent low av. There are other young Poles as well as Swedes and danes who fall into similar situations where a switched on promoter can take a leap of faith if he wants to. Same on Zagar. He stands out at that av on the form he showed in the second half of 2017 in GP/SWE/POL after he managed to get his misfiring Johns tuned engines finally resolved. He flew at many meetings and I would have him on that GSA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Just to repeat what I put on the Swindon thread - as it was me that started the 'Ellis Poole asset' whisper on here as that was what was being discussed by several Poole sponsors at the time - according to Adam's dad (Jonny the Spud) the deal between Lakeside and Poole was agreed, BUT then Lakeside increased what they wanted for him and MF pulled out. According to the full Swindon statement neither Ellis nor Waijnecht are guaranteed a 2018 team place despite them becoming assets!! It'll be a numbers game as it is for all clubs' team building. I heard a slight variation on the same story. In that a deal had been done but then Swindon came in with a higher offer which Lakeside accepted, without getting back to Matt. End of the day we only want riders who want to ride for Poole and if Ellis is happy to ride for Swindon then its no big deal. As a Brit I wish him the best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Klindt has signed a Danish deal. Hopefully a slim chance of Jack Holder staying now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) Zagar gained his average already as a GP rider and an average in Poland of a certain standard so he isn't in comparison. Take Zmarzlik as a example, he was at Birminghamon 6.00 but since then has become one of the best around and would come in on 8.50 as he has improved since he was here. Poole signed him knowing he was on a 6.00 average Not really a sensible comparison though as Zmarzlik only had an assessed average, whereas Woryna has an established one. Its entirely correct to reassess a rider who hasnt got an established average, for example Piotr Pawlicki when he went to Wolves. Don't the (last years) rules only allow a reassessment if a rider is out injured for a year, or missing from Britain for three years? Edited November 23, 2017 by Nellie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 I don't know him personally but I have met him and know that he has Poole in his heart, he is on a low average and would give his all for the team, what's not to like.no nor do I only met him at the ref nights seems very pleasant always willing to talk to people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Zagar gained his average already as a GP rider and an average in Poland of a certain standard so he isn't in comparison. Take Zmarzlik as a example, he was at Birminghamon 6.00 but since then has become one of the best around and would come in on 8.50 as he has improved since he was here. Poole signed him knowing he was on a 6.00 average No he will be a 4.65, Zmarzlik only ever had an assessed average. No reason why Woryna should have his average re-assessed. Are their any riders that have been re-assessed upwards? Normally the promotor complains his average is too high and asks for it to be re-assessed, no promoter is going to ask for it to go up! Who ? Can't think of a rider that scores well there but not here. Buczkowski 6.02 didn't do great last time he was here but can do a decent job and has been up and down in Poland but a bargain for this league. Think you may find he is joining on a 6.00 average due to his World U21 performance and his Polish average being higher than previously Not a bargain at all too inconsistent that is why his average looks low for his ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 I see Hans has said on twitter he has got some news for next year although I don't expect it relivent to the uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 No he will be a 4.65, Zmarzlik only ever had an assessed average. No reason why Woryna should have his average re-assessed. Are their any riders that have been re-assessed upwards? Normally the promotor complains his average is too high and asks for it to be re-assessed, no promoter is going to ask for it to go up! Not a bargain at all too inconsistent that is why his average looks low for his ability. The only ones I can think of was Gustafsson when we signed him and Tai when he asked to join us. Im hoping KW stays on his average as that would probably mean Zagar wouldnt be increased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Zmarzlik was assessed at 6.50 in 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Like Ipswich just having dumped Nathan Greaves you mean? Plus we put two brits in the shop window last season when they were left out of teams (Kerr and R.Worall) Also Newman was swapped for another Brit.Thats the trouble when you have to break up a team that used 5 Brits - unfotunately it may be one of them that goes (actually make that 2 😣) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Let's hope they are replaced by brits 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) I see Hans has said on twitter he has got some news for next year although I don't expect it relivent to the uk Hope finished your homework first. Edited November 23, 2017 by Starman2006 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 I guess Leon Madsen would come in on a 7. Has never been a gp rider and doesnt get in World Cup teams. Would not mind Kurtz,Holder, Madsen as our three heat leaders. 22.24 for the 3 heat leaders is a very for the team and enables other strong riders in 2 and 4. Thought Madsen was in the Danish team for the last 2 seasons?. Been too long. But if Madsen is there on 6.10 then we need to sign him. 5th Best rider in extraliga last year no brainer really. No way will Leon come in on a 6.10 average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) Hope finished your homework first. what are you going on about ? Edited November 23, 2017 by ray c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 I heard a slight variation on the same story. In that a deal had been done but then Swindon came in with a higher offer which Lakeside accepted, without getting back to Matt. End of the day we only want riders who want to ride for Poole and if Ellis is happy to ride for Swindon then its no big deal. As a Brit I wish him the best. Well said Steve👏👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 what are you going on about ? I don't know, very bad grammar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 I don't know, very bad grammar. Whats grammar got to do with anything on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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