Mattfordfan Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 So no Jack Holder or Adam Ellis. I can see us ending up with one of these teams 1. B. Kurtz 8.08 2. N. Klindt 5.78 3. C. Holder 7.16 4. Up to 6.50 / Brit up to 6.13 5. R. Lambert 7.38 / H. Andersen 7.75 6. K. Woryna 4.65 7. J. Shanes 2.95 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 So, it was all bovine excretia about Poole signing Adam Ellis as an asset then..... http://www.swindonrobins.co/news.php?extend.3023 As was said days ago Adam Ellis wouldn't be in the Poole team, as far as I know very few have said he would be or was wanted. He seems on a low average for his ability so should be a good signing. not sure where the asset story came from but probably an assumption because he rode a season for Poole. It has been mentioned many times that Ellis was a Poole asset and I don't remember anyone denying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) As was said days ago Adam Ellis wouldn't be in the Poole team, as far as I know very few have said he would be or was wanted. He seems on a low average for his ability so should be a good signing. not sure where the asset story came from but probably an assumption because he rode a season for Poole. It has been mentioned many times that Ellis was a Poole asset and I don't remember anyone denying it. It was mainly the few so called Poole idiots who post crap on many threads who mentioned it. Edited November 23, 2017 by A ORLOV 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 So, it was all bovine excretia about Poole signing Adam Ellis as an asset then..... http://www.swindonrobins.co/news.php?extend.3023 Great news for adam's future. He has made the right decision signing for the club who took a chance on his high average and stuck with him, particularly when Poole decided not to stand by him and his high average. He is still progressing nicely so another Brit for the future. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Seems like Ellis will be in the Swindon 1-5. Who is going to be our other brit? Hope its not Newman. Hoping for Robert Lambert. Brit options: S. Worrall, R. Lambert, King, Bates, Newman, Kennett, Starke, R. Worrall, Harris, Nicholls, Wright, Lawson, Kerr & Howarth. 99% of Poole supporters want Kyle back but then if you new him so would you !! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 It was mainly the few so called Poole idiots who post crap on many threads who mentioned it. It was because Matt and Cook met up and it was said they were discussing Ellis as an asset, maybe it came to nothing then but this was before the season had finished! 99% of Poole supporters want Kyle back but then if you new him so would you !!Depends what his average is. But thought he wanted to stay at Leicester? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 It was because Matt and Cook met up and it was said they were discussing Ellis as an asset, maybe it came to nothing then but this was before the season had finished! Depends what his average is. But thought he wanted to stay at Leicester? For me the Ellis situation makes the second Brit position (if it still is) somewhat interesting. Assuming we were to sign Shanes as one of the Brits. Some have mentioned maybe Robert Lambert. I think he needs a move away from KL and also maybe if he was on Poole radar he could do worse than be given accommodation by Matt or Middlo and a workshop facility as well as maybe engineer and sponsor support. He could still get home to Norfolk some days as he will now be doing POL/SWE and UK every week. UK sometimes 2 days a week. I just feel young Rob needs a new challenge maybe also riding with other young up and coming young riders such as Woryna and any other young guys we may sign. Anyway just a thought. As for Kyle there are from me 2 things. 1) Can the guy be kept fit as he seems to have had one injury or another the last 3/4 seasons keeping him out for various periods. 2) The tasty looking 4.86 GSA looks very tempting for team building also taking Shanes low 2.95. The BIG point for me is could he be an ideal rider to slot into that reserve slot once hopefully Woryna moves out end May/early June. The answer could be yes as we all know he has scored many points from that berth both when he was one over the last 4 years or so. Also could be a good team rider to help James. I think the reserve berths at Poole could play a big role as they have done in our last few league winning seasons. I view this coming season as who will be the best rider who can slot into that reserve berth with Shanes after the first GSA's come out. Not only from the reserve allocated rides but as a possible replacement also for a rider having an off night or to replace the other reserve when required. One could argue that Newman filled that roll well when at Poole in previous years. Am sure there are plenty of ideas knocking around but of course only one man knows the answer and that's Matt Ford. He may well already have that rider signed or earmarked. We await some news ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 99% of Poole supporters want Kyle back but then if you new him so would you !! Your delusional. 99% get real. Kyle doesn't even want to come back himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Poole and young Brits don't seem to go well together back to the time they got rid of Howarth. Saw Ellis progress and then dumped him for foreign riders. Newman cruelly dispensed with and a fans favourite. Why would any young Brit go there and improve only to be dumped? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Your delusional. 99% get real. Kyle doesn't even want to come back himself. where do I say that Kyle wanted to come back I never!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Poole and young Brits don't seem to go well together back to the time they got rid of Howarth. Saw Ellis progress and then dumped him for foreign riders. Newman cruelly dispensed with and a fans favourite. Why would any young Brit go there and improve only to be dumped? Adam was discounted due to the high GSA under the x 1.4 rule which unfairly punished him for not having had another NL campaign or had a season in Champ where he may well have got a lower GSA. Those foreign riders you mention. You mean Kurtz and Holder Jr who were assessed on similar GSA. Think I know who I prefer to watch as potential World stars. Kyle was as a result of cruel circumstances. Yes he had a bad injury (again) which had him struggling. He had a GSA of 6.31 but was only achieving a real 3.53 and showing no signs at that stage of improving. Matt Ford had a difficult decision to make as he cld fill up to 6.31 or persevere with a rider who was putting in 3.53 and even at end of season only really achieved 4.86. So what does he do because that clown KK was hardly helping matters for those further down the team. It was a difficult biz decision for Ford to take for the betterment of the team at that time. There were circumstances out of the ordinary that affected both riders imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Poole and young Brits don't seem to go well together back to the time they got rid of Howarth. Saw Ellis progress and then dumped him for foreign riders. Newman cruelly dispensed with and a fans favourite. Why would any young Brit go there and improve only to be dumped?Like Ipswich just having dumped Nathan Greaves you mean? Plus we put two brits in the shop window last season when they were left out of teams (Kerr and R.Worall) Also Newman was swapped for another Brit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) Just to repeat what I put on the Swindon thread - as it was me that started the 'Ellis Poole asset' whisper on here as that was what was being discussed by several Poole sponsors at the time - according to Adam's dad (Jonny the Spud) the deal between Lakeside and Poole was agreed, BUT then Lakeside increased what they wanted for him and MF pulled out. According to the full Swindon statement neither Ellis nor Waijnecht are guaranteed a 2018 team place despite them becoming assets!! It'll be a numbers game as it is for all clubs' team building. Edited November 23, 2017 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Doesn't matter about what he's done abroad. Different set up in the UK. Look at certain rider's scores in Poland and when they come to Britain they flop. However I would take a chance on Madsen if he wanted a British return. Who ? Can't think of a rider that scores well there but not here. Buczkowski 6.02 didn't do great last time he was here but can do a decent job and has been up and down in Poland but a bargain for this league. KW will be at reserve. Think you may find he is joining on a 6.00 average due to his World U21 performance and his Polish average being higher than previously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 It was mainly the few so called Poole idiots who post crap on many threads who mentioned it. Sounds like you don't think I am one of them! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Who ? Can't think of a rider that scores well there but not here. Buczkowski 6.02 didn't do great last time he was here but can do a decent job and has been up and down in Poland but a bargain for this league. Think you may find he is joining on a 6.00 average due to his World U21 performance and his Polish average being higher than previously Hopefully not as he did ride here in 2016. Part of the reason Matt signed him one assumes is that he would be rated at 4.65 as per 2016. If you apply that logic then you surely have to adjust multiple GP winner Zagar up from his last 2016 GSA of 7.48 to at least 9.50. Hopefully you are wrong on this one. Of course would help if they released the new GSA and guidelines for all these potential riders (and youngsters) who may want to come over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) 99% of Poole supporters want Kyle back but then if you new him so would you !! I don't know him personally but I have met him and know that he has Poole in his heart, he is on a low average and would give his all for the team, what's not to like. Edited November 23, 2017 by foreverblue 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Like Ipswich just having dumped Nathan Greaves you mean? Plus we put two brits in the shop window last season when they were left out of teams (Kerr and R.Worall) Also Newman was swapped for another Brit. Who said we dumped greaves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Hopefully not as he did ride here in 2016. Part of the reason Matt signed him one assumes is that he would be rated at 4.65 as per 2016. If you apply that logic then you surely have to adjust multiple GP winner Zagar up from his last 2016 GSA of 7.48 to at least 9.50. Hopefully you are wrong on this one. Of course would help if they released the new GSA and guidelines for all these potential riders (and youngsters) who may want to come over. Zagar gained his average already as a GP rider and an average in Poland of a certain standard so he isn't in comparison. Take Zmarzlik as a example, he was at Birminghamon 6.00 but since then has become one of the best around and would come in on 8.50 as he has improved since he was here. Poole signed him knowing he was on a 6.00 average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Who said we dumped greaves?The rider himself on twitter!!! Along the lines of Ipswich told him no matter how they went with team building they couldn't fit him in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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