STEVEHOLS54 Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Every time you mention Holder C on other groups people are saying he had a bad season last year because of what happened to Darcy this is all I ever read if he is doing bad, its like he has a bad meeting oh must be because of what happened to darcy this is all I see his fans saying, seems to be a stuck record anyway apparently he has all his gear for sale and has all new coming, so now everyone thinks this is a good thing I dunno I give up! The main reason for me that Chris was not firing in 2017 was due to his engines. If you look at the likes of Zagar he had similar problems for a lot of 2017 until Johns (I think) managed to come up finally with a tuned engine/s that enabled him to suddenly fly and win 2 end of season GP's plus also had him flying in Sweden. Think you will find he is not the only senior rider who had problems (especially on John's tuned motors). I think there were numerous World class riders who suffered similar problems although admittedly Chris suffered more that a lot of them. I did read somewhere Johns had a problem with his springs supplier (or something similar) and that was evidenced by the lack of Johns tuned engines being in the top SGP riders list this year. Was even a recent article about the issues on the main Polish Speedway site recently. For me Chris deserves his chance in both the SGP and Poole for at least one more year if he can get his tuning issues sorted. Come on guys think about it. In 2016 his GSA was 12.53 - third only behind Doyle and NKI. Or 8.95 in normal language. Even Janowski in 2015 was only 8.97. If you look at Magic's scores for example in SWE in 2017 it was hardly setting the World alight. Just over 8 from 4 rides. If I look at the Polish stats his 4 ride av (excl bonus points) for me av out at about 7.41 per 4 rides. (Correct me if I am wrong). I would argue that although Magic did well in the GP's this year (until his last third of the season where it collapsed) His league form wasn't so good. I think Chris on PROPER tuned engines giving their true speed is better than his GSA this season portrays. Now of course the $64,000 question is can Chris get his tuning gremlins sorted so he can fire as he did in previous years. Pls remember that he probably has one shot at a Wild Card with all the pressures of all the younger riders coming through. Similar also with Pedersen and Hancock who are getting on. He is also in my opinion heavily under pressure to get his finger out with Torun (who are allowing him to stay in the hope he does rediscover some form ) also to be a mentor to Jack and other young riders coming thu at Torun. Maybe similar with Lejonen this year. Also for sure Matt Ford will only tolerate so much underperformance from Chris and his brother who at least has an excuse as a developing young rider. For me Chris deserves this year to hopefully prove the doubters wrong. I could be wrong and hope my faith in his ability is rewarded. The Darcy situation and his personal split from Sealy are behind him now. He has to knuckle down on his riding to show us all he is the rider who won the SGP a few years ago. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 So NKI isnt a Kings Lynn asset. Has Matt Ford just swooped in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirates Of Poole Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 A Rick Frost asset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 So we seem to basically have NKI as an asset as well now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 So we seem to basically have NKI as an asset as well now. Why do you? Hasn't the partnership ended between Frost & Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 A Rick Frost asset. TIME for NKI to challenge the whole asset farce. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Frost passed all assets on to Matt Ford. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Frost passed all assets on to Matt Ford. And what if one or more riders want nothing to do with Poole or be a so called "asset" of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Frost passed all assets on to Matt Ford. Before anyone gets carried away with any rider who is not British or Aussie and is riding in POL EXL and Sweden. Have the Poles relaxed their rules ?? I just saw an article on the main Polish website stating that a lot of the onerous rules upsetting the big stars had been either cancelled or amended/clarified after a meeting today, but couldn't see anything clarifying if the Poles have canned the 3 league rule (incl your home league). That menas for NKI as it stood POL/SWE/DK and NOT UK. Can anyone clarify ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 And what if one or more riders want nothing to do with Poole or be a so called "asset" of them.Most riders don't care as long as they can ride for the team they want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Most riders don't care as long as they can ride for the team they want to. But one day the "owner" of the "asset" will not want or agree to a rider riding for a certain club, then the fun will start, which is why this "asset" business is a joke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealFiend Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 NKI isn't allowed to do Britain. Torun, Smederna and a Danish club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Just announced Magic has signed a new 2 year deal with Wroclaw. Deal was near enough in place but on hold while the riders and authorities sorted the new rules they were trying to impose. Those were sorted today. Still no clarification if they are only allowed 3 leagues incl home league if riding POL EXL. NKI isn't allowed to do Britain. Torun, Smederna and a Danish club. Yes BUT there was talk about the Poles relaxing maybe for 2018. They had their meeting today and sorted all the rules the main riders were holding out on and not signing contracts. BUT still no news if that rule regarding how many leagues (incl your National league) you can ride in. Magic signed his new 2 year deal (just announced) as the main problems were resolved, but still no news about how many leagues POL EXL riders can ride in, which I thought was part of the agenda ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealFiend Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) Just announced Magic has signed a new 2 year deal with Wroclaw. Deal was near enough in place but on hold while the riders and authorities sorted the new rules they were trying to impose. Those were sorted today. Still no clarification if they are only allowed 3 leagues incl home league if riding POL EXL. Yes BUT there was talk about the Poles relaxing maybe for 2018. They had their meeting today and sorted all the rules the main riders were holding out on and not signing contracts. BUT still no news if that rule regarding how many leagues (incl your National league) you can ride in. Magic signed his new 2 year deal (just announced) as the main problems were resolved, but still no news about how many leagues POL EXL riders can ride in, which I thought was part of the agenda ?? Fingers crossed. Cant see us getting NKI tbh as he would be eager to join KL. Janowski always chooses between Sweden and Britain. Think its going to be C. Holder, B. Kurtz & H. Andersen as a top 3 Edited November 9, 2017 by Gater1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 But one day the "owner" of the "asset" will not want or agree to a rider riding for a certain club, then the fun will start, which is why this "asset" business is a joke.Good job he is a Poole asset then as AFAIW Matt has never stopped riders riding for another club. Never stopped KK riding for Coventry and didn't get on with MH. Also let KK go to RH and could have cost us a playoff place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Fingers crossed. Cant see us getting NKI tbh as he would be eager to join KL. Janowski always chooses between Sweden and Britain. Think its going to be C. Holder, B. Kurtz & H. Andersen as a top 3 Hmmm could be. Hans A 7.75 Brady 8.08 Chris 7.16 Kasper W 4.65 Shanes 2.95 Ellis 5.56 (if now an asset and also covers with Shanes the 2 Brit rules) Jack Holder 5.82 Total 41.97 or if Klindt 5.78 instead of Jack Holder = 41.94 just shot of the 42 points if that's the limit. It has a solid look to it IF Holder Sr performs this year. Allows for Woryna to push on from his low 4.65 - Jack to improve without too much pressure and with Chris alongside him in the pits. of course many want a so called true heat leader so no doubt the rumours and opinion will continue. Andersen also maybe not so expensive these days ??. He has lost his Swedish place and as it stands hardly any slots left so may miss out. Perhaps he may even consider doubling up in UK if he doesn't which may also keep costs down for travelling etc ??. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) Good job he is a Poole asset then as AFAIW Matt has never stopped riders riding for another club. Never stopped KK riding for Coventry and didn't get on with MH. Also let KK go to RH and could have cost us a playoff place! Not sure anyone gets on with MH! Hmmm could be. Hans A 7.75 Brady 8.08 Chris 7.16 Kasper W 4.65 Shanes 2.95 Ellis 5.56 (if now an asset and also covers with Shanes the 2 Brit rules) Jack Holder 5.82 Total 41.97 or if Klindt 5.78 instead of Jack Holder = 41.94 just shot of the 42 points if that's the limit. It has a solid look to it IF Holder Sr performs this year. Allows for Woryna to push on from his low 4.65 - Jack to improve without too much pressure and with Chris alongside him in the pits. of course many want a so called true heat leader so no doubt the rumours and opinion will continue. Andersen also maybe not so expensive these days ??. He has lost his Swedish place and as it stands hardly any slots left so may miss out. Perhaps he may even consider doubling up in UK if he doesn't which may also keep costs down for travelling etc ??. well that line isn't that bad is it? can't see Jack not riding for us, got plenty of improvement to come and could teach his brother a thing or two about racing when the track isn't to his liking! Edited November 9, 2017 by foreverblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 And what if one or more riders want nothing to do with Poole or be a so called "asset" of them. Well thats up to them. Some how we have to open it otherwise speedway in the country will die on its backside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 matt got assets he never going to use he gets a loan for every asset i presume so he is never going to stop a rider riding about time it was stopped imo . he sacked kk last season so how could he stop him signing for someone ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Holder is OK for you lot for 2018 then now he's on a low average, fickle!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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