Sidney the robin Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 6 hours ago, Pinny said: And who was it who brought Holder to the UK ? Poole and let IOW use him until he was EL ready. But Holder had been long talked about as a talent just happened that Poole signed him.A bit like now in Aussie List, Gilmore ,Brown are all talked about as the next generation coming through whoever signs them are those who give them the best deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Starman2006 said: £18. Keep digging those holes mate... I pay £17 at Swindon, didn't realise Poole was £18. I'm unsure why you've decided to be an arse to me, haven't done so to you or been rude, I'll put it down to a bad day. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Matt Ford Fan said: Even though you're trolling I will respond with a constructive post. £17 isn't going to change anything overall. This post is about British Speedway only. First off let's look at the ticket pricing for a BT Sport meeting. You cannot charge those prices and expect a big turn out for a TV meeting. At the same time you cannot lower ticket prices because finances aren't good as it is. Lose lose situation. How do we make British Speedway a better product.........You can't simple as that. 1 big league doesn't work.......Not enough riders to go round.....Finances also an issue for some Championship clubs. Look at some of the team line-ups in the Championship this season. It would also weaken the product even further because the racing would be a poor watch because teams will be uneven which would result in a lot of one sided meetings. How are promoters going to bring in a bigger crowd........You cant. The average age of a Speedway fan in Britain is around about 50 because Speedway is an old sport. The older generation aren't being replaced by new fans because again it's an old sport that's on it's last knocking's in this country and the younger generation aren't interested in it. Which is a shame. You need crowd pullers in teams however clubs cannot afford crowd pullers due to finances like I said earlier. So unless clubs can pull a lot of money out of thin air and all of a sudden hundreds of new fans appear out of nowhere up and down the country. Then Speedway will not change in this country. It was more banter than trolling. I actually agree with what you've said above. All I was getting at when I said about ''a spare £17'' was that if more people did go rather than sat at home it all helps. For example, last season Swindon charged £5 for one of our TV meeting's which they made a loss....they took the gamble in a hope that a few more would come to the following meeting which I believe worked having spoken to a club official. The same people kept coming back since so there are ways & means in upping crowds. It all about risk vs reward mind. Edited May 31, 2018 by hyabb17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 Personally I would get Anders Thomsen and Kacper gomolski to replace Josh and Szczpaniak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Personally I would get Anders Thomsen and Kacper gomolski to replace Josh and Szczpaniak. I think Thomson is a very good shout very classy, young Lyager to could be an option i don't know if he is quite ready yet but he has talent i thought Scunny would of got him back to replace Nielsen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 43 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Personally I would get Anders Thomsen and Kacper gomolski to replace Josh and Szczpaniak. As a side issue I see Josh now being a POL Citizen is now riding in the POL Championship Quarter Final on Friday at Krosno. Could we be emptying 2 Poles looking at your comment above ;-) Personally would be surprised if Matt were to empty his team Captain and fork out for 2 lots additional costs. At least Josh is resident (sometimes) in UK where both named would come with flights/accomodation etc. Interesting post though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said: As a side issue I see Josh now being a POL Citizen is now riding in the POL Championship Quarter Final on Friday at Krosno. Could we be emptying 2 Poles looking at your comment above ;-) Personally would be surprised if Matt were to empty his team Captain and fork out for 2 lots additional costs. At least Josh is resident (sometimes) in UK where both named would come with flights/accomodation etc. Interesting post though. Interesting bit of Speedway Trivia. According to his website. Thomsen is now 24. Got on his first 50 CC Speedway bike at 3 - Yes 3. That's what his website says. Man do they start them young in DK. Maybe why a lot of them seem to look like going places when young but then taper off - I use MJJ and M.Bech as examples, as remember how they burst on to the SGP scene as 16/17 year olds. 50cc, (1997 – 2004): 2 x Danmarksmester 5 x Fynsmester 6 x Klubmester 80cc, (2005 – 2010): Individuel verdensmester Holdverdensmester Holddanmarksmester As For Gomolski. If he rode nearly as good as he seems to think he is then indeed would be a good signing. For me, there lies the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 4 hours ago, Matt Ford Fan said: BV - 3 riders double up KL - 4 riders double up Leicester - 4 riders double up Poole - 2 riders double up Rye - 4 riders double up Somerset - 4 riders double up Swindon - 4 riders double up Wolves - 4 riders double up. 29-27 Just over half of the riders in this league double up so one big league is a no go. Afraid the Elite league as was has reaped what it sowed over 10 years ago with filling teams with non UK riders and having no interest in introducing a youth system. TV money pushe'd into the pockets of expensive overseas riders by all clubs so they could keep up with a couple of clubs that had the financial clout to do it. Trying to justify the UK's standing as a leading speedway nation is sliding away so quickly now - yes we have a rider on the world stage and some promising potential in some others. It's now got to the stage where we have too few riders of ability and too many clubs - shocking and unthinkable but the current solution isn't going to last without drastic action to the league set ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoombdog Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 7 hours ago, Starman2006 said: Still riding for POOLE in 89, i dont care about 05-07. Facts mate. He was also at POOLE in 0-3 with Trick. Much better on here on matchdays when you are stalking the track staff from mid morning instead of posting trash on here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoombdog Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 4 hours ago, hyabb17 said: I pay £17 at Swindon, didn't realise Poole was £18. I'm unsure why you've decided to be an arse to me, haven't done so to you or been rude, I'll put it down to a bad day. People gave him a break after his unfortunate surgery in the winter but unfortunately hes quickly gone back to being the biggest mump on here. Ignore him Hyabb. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, GWC said: Afraid the Elite league as was has reaped what it sowed over 10 years ago with filling teams with non UK riders and having no interest in introducing a youth system. TV money pushe'd into the pockets of expensive overseas riders by all clubs so they could keep up with a couple of clubs that had the financial clout to do it. Trying to justify the UK's standing as a leading speedway nation is sliding away so quickly now - yes we have a rider on the world stage and some promising potential in some others. It's now got to the stage where we have too few riders of ability and too many clubs - shocking and unthinkable but the current solution isn't going to last without drastic action to the league set ups. Lets hope the BSPA can finally see that. When the likes of Matt Ford are feeling the pinch hard. Even more so with what must have been so far a financial disaster this season Reasons for that having been well aired in previous posts. Come on when what was viewed as the most financially rich club in Prem can't afford its own team kevlars ?? I really think it will take the likes of RH (who for me must be struggling fiancially) - Poole (who were for so long viewed as the cream of the crop financially) and 1 or 2 others to sit round this BSPA Annual get togehter and spell out once and for all that its got to be change or we go down the toilet certainly as far as the Prem is concerned. Either that or the blinkered blindly carry on for another 1/2 seasons before the Bankrupcy signs start appearing. If they even get that far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Sidney the robin said: I think Thomson is a very good shout very classy, young Lyager to could be an option i don't know if he is quite ready yet but he has talent i thought Scunny would of got him back to replace Nielsen. When i watched him passing Janowski on the tv league match i thought wow he is going very very fast as Rossi would say! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 So as a Poole fan Steve would you accept watching a Championship team of riders in order to save the sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 10 hours ago, colin wood said: Talking of clubs improving riders ,It's a well known fact that Peter Craven Ivan Mauger, Ove Fundin, Peter Collins, and Jason Crump only became world champions because they signed for Belle Vue.They would have got nowhere otherwise lol. Jason Crump Won The World U-21 Championship (1995?) when he was at Poole!! That was long before he rode for Belle Vue!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, GWC said: So as a Poole fan Steve would you accept watching a Championship team of riders in order to save the sport? Only if the admission prices were reduced dramatically - and that ain't likely to happen. Championship clubs are charging almost the same as many SGBP clubs now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 I sometimes wonder how Poland and Sweden (supporters) accept promotion and relegation when you consider the strength of the top league teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 20 minutes ago, GWC said: So as a Poole fan Steve would you accept watching a Championship team of riders in order to save the sport? Flwg on from Skidders reply to yr question Me personally yes but my situation is not tight like some others. To me whether it is £18 or £15 doesnt matter. Perhaps for some it does. If I can get a decent fix with half decent riders i will pay for it. I would pay the same if i could get a chance to regularly see some of this young N/L talent coming through in conjunction with some of the other talent like the young Kurtz/Holder/Lambert/Woryna to name a few and in conjunction with some of the Champ riders, many themselves up and coming talent like Zach W - Adam Ellis (who also ride Prem). I still think we need to harness the young talent but also not totally lose those who have given us enjoyment over the years like Harris/Nicholls and others. I dont hold all the answers just giving my views. The future of British Speedway for me short term isnt these BIG stars. We cant in the main afford them and we can get plenty of exposure to them weekly on Youtube etc or if you want your big night out book Cardiff GP. Don't worry if these POL teams see a UK talent they will be on to it just like Rybnik have in a tie up with Bewley even if not in the team yet. They are advanced enough to know a good potential rider coming through. I still think there must be a way we can harness what talent we do have and present it in a way that we the speedway public benefit and also get exciting racing. Lets be honest the likes of Holder Jr/Kurtz/Woryna and many other young riders will still have their bloopers as they learn their trade with or without the Doyles/Holder Srs/Vaculiks/KK and others you may want to name. Hence why i keep banging on about taking the N/L talent (let them keep there N/L teams but work around it to get a couple into each Prem/Champ team) add these established young rider and a mix it in also with established riders in the Prem/Champ (Many who double up anyway). If not I really fear for our sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 Not forgetting Justin Elkins who was a great for Swindon and went off the boil when he went to Poole 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 49 minutes ago, Steve0 said: Not forgetting Justin Elkins who was a great for Swindon and went off the boil when he went to Poole Don't remember him being on the boil! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobber junior Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, GWC said: So as a Poole fan Steve would you accept watching a Championship team of riders in order to save the sport? I know I am not Steve but, personally, have to say I really enjoyed the Stewkesbury era ...... 1985 onwards from memory ..... after the Chandler promotion collapse aided by Mike Lee's ban. Not being able to see Sam Ermolenko progress was outweighed by return of Martin Gates, retention of Kevin Smith & Stan Bear, and progression of a host of youngsters ..... raw Aussies & my fave Dave Biles. Cost in terms of my wallet was not an issue in those days given quality of entertainment ..... thus would have no issue watching Championship as opposed to Premiership provided racing was exciting ..... and there ain't much to beat ATM. I guess most will have same view. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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