Poole 2018

[g13webb]

6 minutes ago, DWP said:

Lot of supporters questioning the rights/wrongs of Poole signing Kildeman and earlier the 2 Poles. A great sign or ringers, each will have an opinion.

However for next season to prevent this. BSPA at the end of October should have a list of every speedway rider worldwide. Each rider is given his current end of season UK average. Non UK riders an assessed average depending on leagues they ride in. This list is then published for promoters / supporters etc. Any rider who wishes to appeal his average then has 5 days to appeal to a BSPA panel. Panel makes final decision and this official BSPA average list is published at the latest 1st November. 

Promoters team building, use this list and no changes or acceptions can be made. 

Each year same procedure. Riders, promoters, supporters all will know where they are. 

Come on David,    that far too simple.     How can we infiltrate loop holes in that.    Surely, even you must appreciated the necessity  for loopholes in the rules......

[HenryW]

5 hours ago, Aces51 said:

There was a vote to decide the best ever rider at the millennium when probably more people were alive who had seen Ivan and Tony in their prime. Ivan won and Tony was second.  

 

To be fair, Tony added 3 of his 6 World Titles after the millenium, which makes a substantial difference to the way he is viewed in the history of the sport.

[BWitcher]

29 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Its not a case of who is asking. Its a fact that Matt Ford is so far ahead of his rival promoters that they don’t even know the question to ask.

No rules have been broken.  Nothing to see here. Time to move along and find something else to find about Poole for these saddos to bitch about.

Is the standard line every time.

Soon there will truly be 'nothing to see here'. THAT is the problem.

[BWitcher]

1 hour ago, Pinny said:

Taking advantage of a loophole is not doing anything wrong. 

I haven’t even bothered looking for the rule, I am merely going off what everyone else has stated Re: the reassessed averages. 

From browsing these threads over the winter and reading comments from people who have attended forums with their sides promotions etc, it seems that any rider who rode in the 2017 SGP series as a declared starter or is down to ride in the 2018 series as a declared starter will have their 2018 Premiership average reassessed to 9.00, if they missed the 2017 season in the Premiership. Hence Zagar, Woffy etc being re assessed to 9.00. 

I do not see how Vaculik has been given 8.00, that is extremely puzzling. 

I can see however how Iversen has retained his 9.06 figure as it was higher than the standard reassessed average being dished out. Thats happened a few times before where if your higher than the required average, you keep the higher average. I am sure SCB will step in and provide some examples

So you are making asserted comments that nothing has been done wrong when you don't even know what the rule is? 

There is the problem. NOBODY knows what the rule is. We have Gordon Pairman saying there is no rule.. we have riders saying and other promoters saying there is.

Whether Poole have done anything wrong or not is irrelevant. The damage is done yet again. More fans pissed off and with some of them it will push them over the edge to abandon the sport at league level altogether, like many others before them.

The sport never learns. It would be very simple to have completely open rules for situations like this, but they never do.. you have to ask yourself why.

Edited March 23, 2018 by BWitcher

[Steve Shovlar]

The only problem here is petty jealousy from the usual anti Poole mob who can’t stand it that Matt Ford is nearly always two steps ahead of his rivals.

[BWitcher]

Just now, Steve Shovlar said:

The only problem here is petty jealousy from the usual anti Poole mob who can’t stand it that Matt Ford is nearly always two steps ahead of his rivals.

You're right! 

That's the only problem.

Not the dwindling crowds year on year. Of course, we were always told, other clubs need to promote like good ol Matt does at Poole, why he gets packed crowds every week... except, as predicted by many, he no longer does. Now Poole can't even afford racesuits.

[ray c]

25 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

Is the standard line every time.

Soon there will truly be 'nothing to see here'. THAT is the problem.

Thats not matt ford fault im afraid averages is killing our sport until we get an independent body to run speedway nothing will change

[Steve Shovlar]

17 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

You're right! 

That's the only problem.

Not the dwindling crowds year on year. Of course, we were always told, other clubs need to promote like good ol Matt does at Poole, why he gets packed crowds every week... except, as predicted by many, he no longer does. Now Poole can't even afford racesuits.

Can’t afford racesuits? Is that another one of the rumours the anti Poole brigade spew out as truth? Yet the winner of tonights meeting walks away with ten grand.

It’s strange he cannot afford team suits yet can give away such a large sum on a whim. Perhaps, just perhaps, he can actually afford team suits but has decided he doesn’t want them this season. But that answer probably won’t fit in with the anti Poole brigade. 

[Alan_Jones]

6 minutes ago, ray c said:

Thats not matt ford fault im afraid averages is killing our sport until we get an independent body to run speedway nothing will change

Averages aren't killing the sport. The application of average assessment is. Haphazard at best, fraudulent at worst.

[DC2]

1 hour ago, Hamish McRaker said:

What on Earth do people expect Poole to do? 

 

 

Don’t know, don’t care, just don’t cheat (again).

 

[ray c]

3 minutes ago, Alan_Jones said:

Averages aren't killing the sport. The application of average assessment is. Haphazard at best, fraudulent at worst.

All right then the application of averages then does that sound better ?

[Steve Shovlar]

Looks like tonight could be the first rain off of the season.  The band of rain predicted for 9-10 pm is going to arrive early and will be here for the evening and night. A shame for all those many travelling fans who are already well on their way, as well as the riders who have travelled from outside the UK to be here. 

[RobMcCaffery]

1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Its not a case of who is asking. Its a fact that Matt Ford is so far ahead of his rival promoters that they don’t even know the question to ask.

No rules have been broken.  Nothing to see here. Time to move along and find something else to find about Poole for these saddos to bitch about.

"The anti-Poole mob" translates as "Speedway lovers sick of seeing rules being stretched to the limit by one club in particular and the spirit of them being tramp[led upon".

There is a difference between being insightful and being one step ahead and acting on or influencing information or decisions which others are unaware of using inside information. That is the concern of the "Anit-Poole mob". It is a concern and a suspicion, not a fact. 

Of course the simple-minded will try to dress it up as being "In the best interests of the sport", or "all fair in love or war". Others see it as pettiness and sheer over-loyal ignorance. As long as you win who cares how, eh? 

Now, I'm pretty careful not to belong to a 'mob' which is a pretty pathetic term to use but rather to be expected from you. There is a rotten smell of corruption which while certainly not proved hangs over Wimborne Road. A stronger sport with integrity would have clamped down years ago. I still remember the remarkable coincidence of Poole riders suffering endless engine failures at Swindon many years back, just when Poole needed to get their riders' averages down. Even Leigh Adams commented on how suspicious it was. That was the start and it's been going on far, far too long. 

[Gavan]

1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said:

The only problem here is petty jealousy from the usual anti Poole mob who can’t stand it that Matt Ford is nearly always two steps ahead of his rivals.

Yes ladies and gentlemen here it is again. Season after season month after month the same old line from Poole fans.............................................we are all jealous and anti Poole!!!

What a pathetic excuse and reason.

Lack of intelligence clearly the reasoning behind the jealousy comment.

[Gavan]

22 minutes ago, RobMcCaffery said:

"The anti-Poole mob" translates as "Speedway lovers sick of seeing rules being stretched to the limit by one club in particular and the spirit of them being tramp[led upon".

There is a difference between being insightful and being one step ahead and acting on or influencing information or decisions which others are unaware of using inside information. That is the concern of the "Anit-Poole mob". It is a concern and a suspicion, not a fact. 

Of course the simple-minded will try to dress it up as being "In the best interests of the sport", or "all fair in love or war". Others see it as pettiness and sheer over-loyal ignorance. As long as you win who cares how, eh? 

Now, I'm pretty careful not to belong to a 'mob' which is a pretty pathetic term to use but rather to be expected from you. There is a rotten smell of corruption which while certainly not proved hangs over Wimborne Road. A stronger sport with integrity would have clamped down years ago. I still remember the remarkable coincidence of Poole riders suffering endless engine failures at Swindon many years back, just when Poole needed to get their riders' averages down. Even Leigh Adams commented on how suspicious it was. That was the start and it's been going on far, far too long. 

100% spot on.

Try explaining it to the blinkered troll lol

[poolebolton]

Im just looking forward to some speedway. 

 

Weather looks a bit iffy tonight. Rain seems to be coming. Never know could miss weather is funny around Poole. 

 

Good to see Poole have finally got an Instagram page. 

 

[Steve Shovlar]

And they continue to make fools on themselves with their pathetic jealousy. The gift that keeps on giving. Gavan leading the way as usual. And calling me a troll for defending my club against petty hatred. 

The gift that keeps on giving. Lol!

Edited March 23, 2018 by Steve Shovlar

[Aces51]

On 22/03/2018 at 10:25 AM, Gordon Pairman said:

Just to clarify, there is no 9 point GP rider rule. In most instances, and particularly in the case of Peter Kildemand and Niels Kristian Iversen, riders with an existing CMA return to British Speedway on that CMA

I am sure it would be helpful and appreciated if you could explain your caveat of "in most instances". It presumably means that there are exceptions where some riders with an existing CMA wouldn't return on that CMA. What are the criteria for those exceptions?   SImilarly, you also say that there is no 9 point GP rider rule.  Is there any GP rider point rule?

I am sure that you can understand the confusion being created for the fans when we are told that Zagar, Woffinden and Pawlicki have been reassessed but apparently Kildemand and Iversen  haven't and that Vaculik is assessed at 8 but other GP riders at 9.

Credibility is a serious problem for speedway in the UK and one of the major reasons why fans have walked away and why the media refuses to take it seriously.  It is the far too often lack of openness and clarity by the BSPA which leaves fans bewildered and disillusioned and inevitably leads to the sort of disparaging comments and conjecture seen on this and many other threads. If the BSPA wishes to gain respect and move the sport forward it must be open and transparent and ensure that rules are clear, concise, published and interpreted consistently and fairly. 

 

[Call me wolfie]

Technically Poole may not have broken the rules, just bent them due to poor wording or, yes you could say, exploited a loophole. They seem to be very good at it. Similarly there are loopholes in the taxation system which many individuals and companies exploit to their advantage. Technically they have not broken the law but it is most definately morally corrupt. 

[Steve0]

48 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Looks like tonight could be the first rain off of the season.  The band of rain predicted for 9-10 pm is going to arrive early and will be here for the evening and night. A shame for all those many travelling fans who are already well on their way, as well as the riders who have travelled from outside the UK to be here. 

And Matt gets to keep his ten grand - result! Bit of a pattern forming following the Darcy Ward debacle a few years ago