ray c Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Definately harder to win a gp series than a one off world final where a fall or ef could end the favourites chances. Not sure how you work that out loads more chances in gp series to be champion none in a one off Edited March 23, 2018 by ray c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, stevebrum said: 9 rounds ridden proves different. How does it prove different?! as I said, its like a number one crashing in heat 1 of a league meeting. The number 7 replaces him in the rest of his rides, does that mean the number 7 is no longer a reserve?! No it does not. peter kildemand started 2017 as first gp reserve and due to numerous injuries, stood in for 9 gps. As a reserve. He was not a declared SGP rider at any point during the season. nothing left to see here - a perfectly legit signing by Poole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, Pinny said: How does it prove different?! as I said, its like a number one crashing in heat 1 of a league meeting. The number 7 replaces him in the rest of his rides, does that mean the number 7 is no longer a reserve?! No it does not. peter kildemand started 2017 as first gp reserve and due to numerous injuries, stood in for 9 gps. As a reserve. He was not a declared SGP rider at any point during the season. nothing left to see here - a perfectly legit signing by Poole. Started as reserve then elevated into the series full time. If he had become World Champion I'd assume your point would be the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Pinny, you are talking to Gavan and Brum. You are going to have to make your point simpler. Here you go. Kildemand WAS NOT a GP rider, just a reserve. He comes in on his official average. End of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, stevebrum said: Started as reserve then elevated into the series full time. If he had become World Champion I'd assume your point would be the same? He didnt “elevate” into the series full time, he was first reserve all season. Smolinski, Fricke and Jepsen Jensen all raced as series reserves in 2017 as well... should they be classed as 9.00 GP riders as well? kildemand only rode in 9 gps as he was first reserve, if Fricke had been first reserve and raced in 9 gps would there of been calls to make him a 9.00 rider for belle vue?! Of course there wouldnt. Like it or not, the rules state Peter Kildemand was a first reserve and not a full time member of the GP field. And no, had he became world champ my stance would be the same. He done it as a reserve although this would of meant a 2018 permanant wild card therefore being saddled with a 9.00 figure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Pinny, you are talking to Gavan and Brum. You are going to have to make your point simpler. Here you go. Kildemand WAS NOT a GP rider, just a reserve. He comes in on his official average. End of. So in 1999 if Mark Loram had of scored 5 more points he would have been on the rostrum but was only a reserve. Im guessing by your logic that means he wouldnt have been classed as world number 3 as he wasnt a GP rider. Please explain how you think its right that Kildemand rode in more grand prix then Iversen or Nicki Pedersen but yet can come in on 2 points lower?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, Pinny said: He didnt “elevate” into the series full time, he was first reserve all season. Smolinski, Fricke and Jepsen Jensen all raced as series reserves in 2017 as well... should they be classed as 9.00 GP riders as well? kildemand only rode in 9 gps as he was first reserve, if Fricke had been first reserve and raced in 9 gps would there of been calls to make him a 9.00 rider for belle vue?! Of course there wouldnt. Like it or not, the rules state Peter Kildemand was a first reserve and not a full time member of the GP field. And no, had he became world champ my stance would be the same. He done it as a reserve although this would of meant a 2018 permanant wild card therefore being saddled with a 9.00 figure Just have to agree to disagree on this one then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Pinny said: He didnt “elevate” into the series full time, he was first reserve all season. Smolinski, Fricke and Jepsen Jensen all raced as series reserves in 2017 as well... should they be classed as 9.00 GP riders as well? kildemand only rode in 9 gps as he was first reserve, if Fricke had been first reserve and raced in 9 gps would there of been calls to make him a 9.00 rider for belle vue?! Of course there wouldnt. Like it or not, the rules state Peter Kildemand was a first reserve and not a full time member of the GP field. And no, had he became world champ my stance would be the same. He done it as a reserve although this would of meant a 2018 permanant wild card therefore being saddled with a 9.00 figure Max Fricke rode over here in 2017 so your point is somewhat flawed. But yes if Fricke had ridden in 9 gp's and hadnt ridden over here last season then quite rightly he should be a 9, same as Kildemand should be. I ask again if Nicki Pedersen wanted to ride here he would be a 9...................why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, Gavan said: So in 1999 if Mark Loram had of scored 5 more points he would have been on the rostrum but was only a reserve. Im guessing by your logic that means he wouldnt have been classed as world number 3 as he wasnt a GP rider. Please explain how you think its right that Kildemand rode in more grand prix then Iversen or Nicki Pedersen but yet can come in on 2 points lower?? What we do know tho is if any other team had signed Kildemand on a low 7 Shov would be shouting cheating as loud as you like. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Gavan said: Max Fricke rode over here in 2017 so your point is somewhat flawed. But yes if Fricke had ridden in 9 gp's and hadnt ridden over here last season then quite rightly he should be a 9, same as Kildemand should be. I ask again if Nicki Pedersen wanted to ride here he would be a 9...................why? Your right on that one but doesnt make my argument that Kildemand is legit wrong. And yes Nicki should be 9.00 as he is a declared Grand Prix rider. I do agree that the rules SHOULD make Kildemand 9.00 and that if you ride a certain amount of GPS as a wildcard or reserve you should be gp rider, however as it stands this is not the case therefore Kildemand is perfectly legal to start on his old average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, stevebrum said: What we do know tho is if any other team had signed Kildemand on a low 7 Shov would be shouting cheating as loud as you like. Poole have managed to bring in a Polish ringer and now replaced a rider on the downgrade in Holder with Kildemand. If Poole somehow mess this season up like the last 2 then surely its time for Middlo to walk? They cant mess up having clearly the best team for the third year in a row can they? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, Pinny said: Your right on that one but doesnt make my argument that Kildemand is legit wrong. And yes Nicki should be 9.00 as he is a declared Grand Prix rider. I do agree that the rules SHOULD make Kildemand 9.00 and that if you ride a certain amount of GPS as a wildcard or reserve you should be gp rider, however as it stands this is not the case therefore Kildemand is perfectly legal to start on his old average. I know what your saying but how does a rider ride in 2 GP'S and gets saddled with a higher average then one who rode in 9? Farcical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Gavan said: I know what your saying but how does a rider ride in 2 GP'S and gets saddled with a higher average then one who rode in 9? Farcical Because he was a declared GP rider at the start of the series and Kildemand wasnt. Thats the rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Pinny said: I do agree that the rules SHOULD make Kildemand 9.00 and that if you ride a certain amount of GPS as a wildcard or reserve you should be gp rider, however as it stands this is not the case therefore Kildemand is perfectly legal to start on his old average. Have you seen the rule? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Gavan said: Poole have managed to bring in a Polish ringer and now replaced a rider on the downgrade in Holder with Kildemand. If Poole somehow mess this season up like the last 2 then surely its time for Middlo to walk? They cant mess up having clearly the best team for the third year in a row can they? How is it Middlo's fault for last season's failure when we clearly didn't have the best team, our number one not performing is not his fault nor was the injury to Klindt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted March 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 34 minutes ago, Pinny said: peter kildemand started 2017 as first gp reserve and due to numerous injuries, stood in for 9 gps. As a reserve. He was not a declared SGP rider at any point during the season. Does the rule specify “declared GP rider”? Does it exclude GP reserves or GP reserves who ride in one GP or GP reserves in ride in 9? Did PK become a full time GP rider when Nicky Pedersen was declared out for the season? A fair definition would be any rider who rode in more than 3 GPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 44 minutes ago, Pinny said: 70 dont think so squire, my job pays well enough here my nailbag and hammer will be well and truly hung up by the time I am 50, enjoying a happy retirement on golden beaches with an ice cold lager. Watch you dont do your back in stacking too many boxes of cheap Lidls wine pal, make sure you bend your knees and keep your back straight when lifting old man What is wrong with stacking shelves to provide for your family or do you think you are to good for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: What is wrong with stacking shelves to provide for your family or do you think you are to good for that? No he's just full of himself it seems, it really doesn't matter what you do as a job or where you live as long as you're happy, at least we get to watch our teams on a regular basis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 The whole average system is flawed, riders form can change so much over 2 or 3 years unyet you can use an old average to build your team. Any average attained prior to the previous season should be disregarded and a suitale conversion factor found from the leagues they have ridden in the previous season. That's the only fair way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 The rule has never been published and Pairman recently said there is no rule despite promoters commenting on it at fan meetings. The wording of the rule would alter dependant on who’s asking anyway It was first mentioned the week after Zagar tweeted about returning (to Belle Vue). The promoters conference had taken place and a press release sent out detailing the changes but no mention of this until Zagar’s tweet. This kind of behaviour is driving the die hards away to the point we now have a dead sport. I just wish Ford had got into some other sport as he has killed speedway. It’s ok for him and a lot of the Poole fans on here, they can just move to another sport as their interest doesn’t go beyond “winning”. Real fans who haven’t already walked away due to Fords antics are left with next to nothing. Shame 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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