Daniel Smith Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 14 minutes ago, Gordon Pairman said: Just to clarify, there is no 9 point GP rider rule. In most instances, and particularly in the case of Peter Kildemand and Niels Kristian Iversen, riders with an existing CMA return to British Speedway on that CMA Zagar says he couldn't return to Belle Vue because he'd been lumped with a 9 average because he's a GP rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 14 minutes ago, Gordon Pairman said: Just to clarify, there is no 9 point GP rider rule. In most instances, and particularly in the case of Peter Kildemand and Niels Kristian Iversen, riders with an existing CMA return to British Speedway on that CMA So are you saying that Zagar could return on his last average of 7.48 if any team wishes to make a rider change ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 So basically the BSPA make it up. Ahhh Killer we like him so you can come back on 7.4 or whatever. But Zagar we don’t like you. Here come back on 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 It’s Belle Vue they don’t like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Starman2006 said: Steve, there must be a reason for it mate, if its ratified by the BSPA then it legal. Appart from fridays open meeting Chris will miss 2 meetings, the double header next friday which is K O Cup They make the rules up as they go along ok i would rather see Killer ride than see you have R/R because that is all you should have but that is not the point.For me you have three riders on false averages now only Poole have done that this year nobody else has everybody else has abided by the rules apart from your club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said: Unusual way of looking at it. Kildemand makes Poole weaker in my opinion and the chance for teams to take advantage before CH returns. Would have CH any day over knock me off with a fart Kildemand. Kildemand on some of those away tracks would be a better option than CH you are talking about the Chris Holder of 4/5 years ago he has loads to prove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Sidney the robin said: Kildemand on some of those away tracks would be a better option than CH you are talking about the Chris Holder of 4/5 years ago he has loads to prove. Give him a chance mate, he's barely turned a wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: They make the rules up as they go along ok i would rather see Killer ride than see you have R/R because that is all you should have but that is not the point.For me you have three riders on false averages now only Poole have done that this year nobody else has everybody else has abided by the rules apart from your club. Mate, please read Gordon Pairmans post above, he will know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: Give him a chance mate, he's barely turned a wheel. 10 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: Mate, please read Gordon Pairmans post above, he will know. 10 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: Mate, please read Gordon Pairmans post above, he will know. I want him to do well be great if he could get back to his best, but all the fans want to see is fairly assembled teams as for Mr Pairman he has explained nothing. Edited March 22, 2018 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 hours ago, MattK said: Am I being thick here? Kildemand isn't a GP rider, so why would he be reassessed as a 9? Didn't he ride in the vast majority of GP's in 2017??? The ruling seems to be any GP rider of 2017/2018 because Piotr (not in GP's this year) is a 9. He didn't ride here in 2017 either, another qualifying criteria. 2 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: Don’t use common sense Matt. It goes against the grain of having a pop at Poole. Blinkered and blind beyond belief. 1 hour ago, Grachan said: Interesting one. It's a very grey area as to whether Kildemand is a GP rider or not. I would say that this year's averages are based on last year, so, yes, he should probably be classed as a GP rider. Having said that, it seems reasonable to have him in for Chris Holder - and probably weakens Poole anyway. The should have just left the averages as they were, or put in a percentage upgrade based on last year's new averages. I'm not sure it's a grey area at all. He rode several GP's in 2017 and didn't ride here in 2017 either. Both those criterias have prevented Piotr, Woffy and Zagar from riding here this year on there low 7 averages also. 1 hour ago, Starman2006 said: Steve, there must be a reason for it mate, if its ratified by the BSPA then it legal. Appart from fridays open meeting Chris will miss 2 meetings, the double header next friday which is K O Cup It's a short term thing so that's the only logical reason it's been allowed. However it doesn't stop the fact that Killer shouldn't be allowed to use his old average tho. 47 minutes ago, Gordon Pairman said: Just to clarify, there is no 9 point GP rider rule. In most instances, and particularly in the case of Peter Kildemand and Niels Kristian Iversen, riders with an existing CMA return to British Speedway on that CMA 26 minutes ago, ouch said: It’s Belle Vue they don’t like. More like targeting Wolverhampton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, stevebrum said: Didn't he ride in the vast majority of GP's in 2017??? The ruling seems to be any GP rider of 2017/2018 because Piotr (not in GP's this year) is a 9. He didn't ride here in 2017 either, another qualifying criteria. How do we know Pawlicki is a 9? As I said, I hate inconsistency, how can Zagar, Woffy and Pawlicki be a 9 and Vaculik be an 8? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 56 minutes ago, Gordon Pairman said: Just to clarify, there is no 9 point GP rider rule. In most instances, and particularly in the case of Peter Kildemand and Niels Kristian Iversen, riders with an existing CMA return to British Speedway on that CMA So what happened to the ruling that GP riders and those who didn't ride here in 2017 are reassessed to a 9 then?? It's known that Piotr Pawlicki, Woffy (wolves assets) and Zagar (Aces) were looking at coming back only to be slapped with a 9 average. Only Iversen of those you name had an average over 8 so it would seem you are saying selected riders can keep an outdated average whilst others can't which by any definition is grossly unfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Just now, MattK said: How do we know Pawlicki is a 9? As I said, I hate inconsistency, how can Zagar, Woffy and Pawlicki be a 9 and Vaculik be an 8? CVS confirmed it at the Wolves talk in in November. Any new rider to GB league from GP's are 8. I agree there is no consistency whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 On 19/01/2018 at 10:58 AM, Aces51 said: No idea why this quote line is here??? Anyway, don't really have a lot of time for Chris, but if true it's regarding his personal relationship, son etc., he has my heartfelt sympathy. As a father in a broken relationship he will get the thin edge every time, I truly hope for his sake it's only a couple of weeks, but don't bank on it. 10 years down the line my son is still having his daughter used against him Good luck Chris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, MattK said: How do we know Pawlicki is a 9? As I said, I hate inconsistency, how can Zagar, Woffy and Pawlicki be a 9 and Vaculik be an 8? It's all based on the mythical Grading List. Some lucky archaeologist is going to dig it up in a few thousand years time and all will be revealed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Will kildermand come in on the 28 day rule or has that been abandoned now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, ray c said: Will kildermand come in on the 28 day rule or has that been abandoned now ? Surley the 2 day rule only covers injured riders. As I see it by the rules, Poole's 1 - 7 now is the declared line-up. If Poole want to bring Holder back in, then it would have to be like for like or a re-declaration. There is no facility within the rules for a temporary 1 - 7, whether it is for visa issues or nor not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, DunRobin said: Surley the 2 day rule only covers injured riders. As I see it by the rules, Poole's 1 - 7 now is the declared line-up. If Poole want to bring Holder back in, then it would have to be like for like or a re-declaration. There is no facility within the rules for a temporary 1 - 7, whether it is for visa issues or nor not. If Kildermand comes in on his old average (lower than Holder) they would still be able to bring Holder back in later as it will be within the 42.5 team average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 The rule (or non rule) was brought in solely to stop The Aces signing Zagar. Woffinden and the pole were never coming back though Ford expressed an interest in the pole before stating this "While he finished on 7.32 at Wolverhampton in 2014, it is usual that if a Grand Prix rider has been out of British speedway for three years, his average will be reassessed. Different to the Zagar situation. The reason for stopping Zagar? Cook Hougaard Fricke Tungate Zagar Smith Bewley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 I just have a funny feeling that this is a special deal with the BSPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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