Sidney the robin Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, stevebrum said: Am I reading it right that Kildemand is a temporary replacement for Holder???? How on earth is that legal or even possible. Kildemand is by any definition a GP rider from 2017 by the amount of GP's he appeared in and all this nonsense that he was a reserve is total bull. He is an assessed 9 like Woffy, Piotr and Zagar no question. He therefore cannot replace a rider on a 7. Anything else is a total disgrace if this is allowed to happen. How many ringers are Poole trying to assemble?? Huge embarrassment to the sport if this is sanctioned. The UK has missed out on MAYBE seeing some of the stars comeback to our shores with the rule that they brought in.Thats ok if everybody abides by the rule but that has not happened here, your club Steve made a huge decision losing Freddie also having little chance of bringing Tai/Piotr in also.Swindon had to let the World Champion go ( Money maybe??) Belle Vue could not consider bringing Zagar back in either. Iversen at King's Lynn also after a year out and is not in the GPS he has to come in on a 9 surely the other clubs object to this? If it is aloud to happen Poole definitely will be bringing the sport into disrepute they certainly know morally it is wrong but my theory on sport on winning/losing if you cheat you really only cheat yourself and it tarnishes your phoney achievement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 A GP rider is surely any rider that competed in the GPs last year (wildcards excluded). Reserves were given a number and could have qualified for 2018 if they managed to get enough points. Kildemand was competing for position. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) Regarding the bibs, I watched the video of the riders coming down the stairs with Middlo and Ford before sitting at the tables in front of the fans - they looked like a collection of riders and certainly didn't look like a team - very poor indeed from Poole (and Somerset) Edited March 22, 2018 by Steve0 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 It's like we've been transported back to the nineties. Says it all that even some NL teams will be racing in team suits. I assume my own club are going with racesuits, if not I'll be laying into them too. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrss Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 If Killer is allowed to ride for Poole instead of C Holder it will show what M Fraud and N Fiddleditch are. Dirty ! Cheating! Barstards. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, mrss said: If Killer is allowed to ride for Poole instead of C Holder it will show what M Fraud and N Fiddleditch are. Dirty ! Cheating! Barstards. Don't get upset it's only temporary if the bspa sanction it we will be back to full strength by the end of April Edited March 22, 2018 by ray c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 47 minutes ago, mrss said: If Killer is allowed to ride for Poole instead of C Holder it will show what M Fraud and N Fiddleditch are. Dirty ! Cheating! Barstards. It's quite a clever ploy really, keep on rule bending and breaking until people either walk away and find something else to do or give up caring and therefore there are no dissenting voices left genius to be honest. Edited March 22, 2018 by Bagpuss 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 I don't wish the personal issues Chris is having on anyone and perhaps he is better to publicly step back for X weeks rather than ride half hearted and damage his already fragile reputation. Killer being a temporary replacement is debatable at best for legality / morality BUT he is box office viewing and i know which rider id rather watch every time. You never know P.K may think harder about a full term return to the UK? Will actually make me check the fixture list now to see if there is a Poole away day where i can see him in action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Am I being thick here? Kildemand isn't a GP rider, so why would he be reassessed as a 9? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: I don't wish the personal issues Chris is having on anyone and perhaps he is better to publicly step back for X weeks rather than ride half hearted and damage his already fragile reputation. Killer being a temporary replacement is debatable at best for legality / morality BUT he is box office viewing and i know which rider id rather watch every time. You never know P.K may think harder about a full term return to the UK? Will actually make me check the fixture list now to see if there is a Poole away day where i can see him in action. Unusual way of looking at it. Kildemand makes Poole weaker in my opinion and the chance for teams to take advantage before CH returns. Would have CH any day over knock me off with a fart Kildemand. Edited March 22, 2018 by Steve Shovlar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, MattK said: Am I being thick here? Kildemand isn't a GP rider, so why would he be reassessed as a 9? Don’t use common sense Matt. It goes against the grain of having a pop at Poole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 9th April Leicester away. Vaculik vs Killer. Yes Please. Oh heck im excited about potentially going to Leicester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Don’t use common sense Matt. It goes against the grain of having a pop at Poole. Don't get me wrong, I love having a pop at Poole as much as the next guy. I also hate arbitrary re-assessment of averages and inconsistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Interesting one. It's a very grey area as to whether Kildemand is a GP rider or not. I would say that this year's averages are based on last year, so, yes, he should probably be classed as a GP rider. Having said that, it seems reasonable to have him in for Chris Holder - and probably weakens Poole anyway. The should have just left the averages as they were, or put in a percentage upgrade based on last year's new averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, speedflash said: Thanks Starman I couldn't be there today as I had a previous engagement prior to getting the track job. Looks like it held up well I will be there tomorrow afternoon to put back into shape. Before the rain comes on Thursday night Friday morning. Glyn Hi Glyn, yes it held up well, it did cut up a little bit but you would expect that with the weather we have had. It was a little patchy going round turn one, and little spongy in places, again i would assume that is down to the weather. Neil watered it and rolled it well, but as you know you dont want to drown it for practice just enough. Turn 4 was very good riders going it smooth. As you say once we get a settled period, and after tomorrow nights meeting we have nothing for a complete week, hopefully it will remain reasonably dry then when you do the finishing touches it will be great. See you soon. Mike. Edited March 22, 2018 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 8 hours ago, Mr X said: Good to see Starman on his feet. Keep it up chap. Thanks mate, see you tomorrow night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, stevebrum said: Am I reading it right that Kildemand is a temporary replacement for Holder???? How on earth is that legal or even possible. Kildemand is by any definition a GP rider from 2017 by the amount of GP's he appeared in and all this nonsense that he was a reserve is total bull. He is an assessed 9 like Woffy, Piotr and Zagar no question. He therefore cannot replace a rider on a 7. Anything else is a total disgrace if this is allowed to happen. How many ringers are Poole trying to assemble?? Huge embarrassment to the sport if this is sanctioned. Steve, there must be a reason for it mate, if its ratified by the BSPA then it legal. Appart from fridays open meeting Chris will miss 2 meetings, the double header next friday which is K O Cup Edited March 22, 2018 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Steve0 said: Regarding the bibs, I watched the video of the riders coming down the stairs with Middlo and Ford before sitting at the tables in front of the fans - they looked like a collection of riders and certainly didn't look like a team - very poor indeed from Poole (and Somerset) No one has seen Somerset yet so how do you know they have race jackets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Pairman Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Just to clarify, there is no 9 point GP rider rule. In most instances, and particularly in the case of Peter Kildemand and Niels Kristian Iversen, riders with an existing CMA return to British Speedway on that CMA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Zagar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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