Starman2006 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, hyderd said: Very true M Zagar being one of them, but when he signed for the Aces he soon came to loving it and riding it very well. Maybe Holder should have a season on loan to Wolves. Another example, When Tony Rickardsson came to Poole he rated Poole as one of his least favorite tracks, but look how he ended up.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 39 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: Another example, When Tony Rickardsson came to Poole he rated Poole as one of his least favorite tracks, but look how he ended up.. Difficult to compare todays riders with Tony Rick, I remember going to Lakeside once, he had never raced there before, walks the track, ends up with a easy max, very few riders could have done that. I am sure Tony had tracks he didn't like as much as some others but he just saw them as another challenge to beat whereas I think Chris thinks of them as a challenge he can never beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, foreverblue said: Difficult to compare todays riders with Tony Rick, I remember going to Lakeside once, he had never raced there before, walks the track, ends up with a easy max, very few riders could have done that. I am sure Tony had tracks he didn't like as much as some others but he just saw them as another challenge to beat whereas I think Chris thinks of them as a challenge he can never beat. Quite right, and Chris should take a leaf out of Tonys book. Its a head thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie Head Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) Given the potential strength of the Pirates top five, astute use of tactical substitutes could pay dividends - perhaps limiting Holder (or others) to just three rides. Edited March 16, 2018 by Dickie Head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dickie Head said: Given the potential strength of the Pirates top five, astute use of tactical substitutes could pay dividends - perhaps limiting Holder (or others) to just three rides. Im sure Matt will be doing a bit of juggling when the boys have put down early season markers. Horses for courses and all that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 34 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Difficult to compare todays riders with Tony Rick, I remember going to Lakeside once, he had never raced there before, walks the track, ends up with a easy max, very few riders could have done that. I am sure Tony had tracks he didn't like as much as some others but he just saw them as another challenge to beat whereas I think Chris thinks of them as a challenge he can never beat. Perhaps not the best example. Didn't Jurica Pavlic do the same on his first visit to Lakeside. However, I do know what you mean. There are riders who just see tracks as there to be ridden, no matter the size, shape, or condition and those who take a look and are convinced they're not going to do well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 19 minutes ago, Aces51 said: Perhaps not the best example. Didn't Jurica Pavlic do the same on his first visit to Lakeside. However, I do know what you mean. There are riders who just see tracks as there to be ridden, no matter the size, shape, or condition and those who take a look and are convinced they're not going to do well. He did indeed. Not just a max. A 21 point max. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 24 minutes ago, Aces51 said: Perhaps not the best example. Didn't Jurica Pavlic do the same on his first visit to Lakeside. However, I do know what you mean. There are riders who just see tracks as there to be ridden, no matter the size, shape, or condition and those who take a look and are convinced they're not going to do well. Thats where the mindset comes in.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Starman2006 said: Im sure Matt will be doing a bit of juggling when the boys have put down early season markers. Horses for courses and all that.. Surely thats middledich job he is the manager ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, ray c said: Surely thats middledich job he is the manager ? Neil manages Matt does the juggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Starman2006 said: Quite right, and Chris should take a leaf out of Tonys book. Its a head thing. I don't think he has to Holder he has won a World title no one can ever take that away from him also Rickardsson ( i was never a fan) he is not really any guide to anybody because he was that good.!!! Edited March 16, 2018 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: I don't think he has to Holder he has won a World title no one can ever take that away from him also Rickardsson ( i was never a fan) he is not really any guide to anybody because he was that good.!!! He was, Any yard stick has to involve Tony who won 6 world titles, but Chris should really suss Wolves out. its not rocket science. a case of watch a sky/BT DVD and learn. There angles are a lot better. Edited March 16, 2018 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Holder is not in the same class as Rickardsson, Tony wouldn't of cried like a big baby over track conditions or being a bit greasy he would of got on with it and tackled it like a man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 20 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: Neil manages Matt does the juggling. Are you saying Matt is a bigger clown than Neil? 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Grachan said: He did indeed. Not just a max. A 21 point max. Bjarne got a paid 23 pointer at Lakeside not a full max as Ferjan won the race when Bjarne was on a tac ride from 15 metres but it wasn't his first meeting at Lakeside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Najjer said: Are you saying Matt is a bigger clown than Neil? Clearly you dont know the difference between a team manger and a promoter that holds the purse strings.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Starman2006 said: He was, Any yard stick has to involve Tony who won 6 world titles, but Chris should really suss Wolves out. its not rocket science. a case of watch a sky/BT DVD and learn. There angles are a lot better. I respect your view but as a example Nielsen / Lee were both never that great at the old Bellle Vue Hyde Rd but ( they could ride it well but PC and Mort would usually beat them at there best horses for courses comes to mind.?!!!! Edited March 16, 2018 by Sidney the robin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: I respect your view but as a example Nielsen / Lee were both never that great at the old Bellle Vue Hyde Rd but ( they could ride it well but PC and Mort would usually beat them at there best horses for courses comes to mind.?!!!! Yeh fair comment, but from Magics point of view he freely admitted he hated Wolves, but he eventually mastered it. But like somebody else said, Tony bit the bullet and rode it, Chris should be ble to do the same. Now you would have thought that Michael Lee would have been good round a big track like hyde rd, he rode KL well, and the old bigger Poole track. Edited March 16, 2018 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: Yeh fair comment, but from Magics point of view he freely admitted he hated Wolves, but he eventually mastered it. But like somebody else said, Tony bit the bullet and rode it, Chris should be ble to do the same. Now you would have thought that Michael Lee would have been good round a big track like hyde rd, he rode KL well, and the old bigger Poole track. Riding Hyde Rd usually once a year in one league fixture was very hard Lee usually did that if he turned up !!!!!!☺️Not like now usually 2 fixtures at least at the same track away from home going back to Hyde Rd Lee was up against Collins/Mort a bit different to now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Riding Hyde Rd usually once a year in one league fixture was very hard Lee usually did that if he turned up !!!!!!☺️Not like now usually 2 fixtures at least at the same track away from home going back to Hyde Rd Lee was up against Collins/Mort a bit different to now. Yeh maybe, but you would still think a quality rider like Lee would adapt to it well, give that he rode other big tracks well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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